Why Sniper Rifles are so crappy in HT? - Page 2

gilbertocarlos · 06-03-2012, 06:12 PM

According to HT, most Sniper rifles are really expensive and heavy, but adding fine/very fine to rifles is cheap.

Let's take the the PSG rifle and compare it against the M1 Garand with the following mods:
Fine(the PSG is fine by default, we are just making it even), with a Fixed-Power Scope (TL6). X6 magnification. and a Bipod (TL6).

If you have access to TL8 equipment, you can instead use a Variable-Power Scope and a TL8 bipod(increase cost by $500, Acc to 7+3 and remove 2lbs).

PSG vs Garand

TL 8 vs TL 6 - Technically a Tie, with edge to the Garand for being available before
Ammo: 7.62¥51mm vs .30-06 - A tie(same weight and cost)
Damage 7d pi vs 7d+1 - Almost a tie.
Acc 6+2 vs 6+2 - Tie
Range 1100/4400 vs 1100/4500 - Garand has +100 of max, but it's a tie.
Weight 18.5/0.7 vs 13.6/0.5(11.6 at TL8) Garand weights 5lbs less(7lb at TL8), ammo is 30% lighter
RoF 3 vs 3 - Tie
Shots 5+1(3) vs 8(3) - Garand have 3 bullets of advantage
ST 10B† vs 10B† - Te
Bulk -6 vs -6 - Tie
Recoil 3 vs 3 - Tie
Cost $9,100/$26 vs $1250($1750 at TL8) - With the price of one PSG, you can buy 7 garands, you can make the garand very fine, and it will still be 3 times cheaper than the PSG.
LC 3 vs 3 - Tie

The Garand is lighter, have more ammo, can equip a squad with the same cost of 1 PSG.
So, with this in view, why anyone would use a PSG instead of a fine garand?

Example 2:
The Accuracy International Vs a Fine M14(since the AI is also fine) with a variable power scope and a bipod(Both TL7).

TL8 vs 7 - Technically a Tie, with edge to the M14 for being available before
Ammo:7.62¥51mm vs 7.62¥51mm - Same
Damage 7d pi vs 7d pi - Same
Acc 6+3 vs 6+3 - Same
Range 1000/4200 vs 1000/4200 - Same
Weight 15/1 vs 13.4/1.6(12.4/1.6 at TL8) - the M14 is 1.6lbs(2.6 at TL8) lighter, with magazines being 0.6lbs heavier.
Shots 10+1(3) vs 20+1(3) - The 0.6lbs heavier of the M14 compensate here, they have double ammo, meaning that a soldier with a M14 only need to carry half as many magazines.
ST 11B† vs 10B† - The M14 has a small edge
Bulk -6 vs -6 - Same
Recoil 3 vs 3 - Same
Cost $4,700/$50 vs $1750/$31($1900/$31 at TL 8) -As before, the price of the modified rifle is much cheaper, the M14 cost's less than 40% of the AI, even very fine it's still 1k cheaper.

Same deal as before, the M14 is lighter, have more ammo and is cheaper than the AI, his only disadvantage is the magazine, with is 60% heavier, but also carries double ammo.
So, why anyone would use a AI instead of a fine M14?

What do you think of changing the rules of firearm quality to make fine rifles heavier and more expensive?
Something like:
Fine: +20% weight, +2CF
Very Fine: +50% weight, +9CF

Is realistic to entirely prohibit very fine firearms(I doubt that IRL you can make the AK, the M4 or the P90 as accurate as a PSG or an AI AW without increased weight or bulk, don't matter how much you pay).

If the Firearm Quality rules are realistic, can anyone tell me why people use rifles like the AI or the PSG instead of much better rifles here mentioned?

06-03-2012, 06:12 PM	#1
gilbertocarlos Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Caxias do Sul, Brazil	Why Sniper Rifles are so crappy in HT? According to HT, most Sniper rifles are really expensive and heavy, but adding fine/very fine to rifles is cheap. Let's take the the PSG rifle and compare it against the M1 Garand with the following mods: Fine(the PSG is fine by default, we are just making it even), with a Fixed-Power Scope (TL6). X6 magnification. and a Bipod (TL6). If you have access to TL8 equipment, you can instead use a Variable-Power Scope and a TL8 bipod(increase cost by $500, Acc to 7+3 and remove 2lbs). PSG vs Garand TL 8 vs TL 6 - Technically a Tie, with edge to the Garand for being available before Ammo: 7.62¥51mm vs .30-06 - A tie(same weight and cost) Damage 7d pi vs 7d+1 - Almost a tie. Acc 6+2 vs 6+2 - Tie Range 1100/4400 vs 1100/4500 - Garand has +100 of max, but it's a tie. Weight 18.5/0.7 vs 13.6/0.5(11.6 at TL8) Garand weights 5lbs less(7lb at TL8), ammo is 30% lighter RoF 3 vs 3 - Tie Shots 5+1(3) vs 8(3) - Garand have 3 bullets of advantage ST 10B† vs 10B† - Te Bulk -6 vs -6 - Tie Recoil 3 vs 3 - Tie Cost $9,100/$26 vs $1250($1750 at TL8) - With the price of one PSG, you can buy 7 garands, you can make the garand very fine, and it will still be 3 times cheaper than the PSG. LC 3 vs 3 - Tie The Garand is lighter, have more ammo, can equip a squad with the same cost of 1 PSG. So, with this in view, why anyone would use a PSG instead of a fine garand? Example 2: The Accuracy International Vs a Fine M14(since the AI is also fine) with a variable power scope and a bipod(Both TL7). TL8 vs 7 - Technically a Tie, with edge to the M14 for being available before Ammo:7.62¥51mm vs 7.62¥51mm - Same Damage 7d pi vs 7d pi - Same Acc 6+3 vs 6+3 - Same Range 1000/4200 vs 1000/4200 - Same Weight 15/1 vs 13.4/1.6(12.4/1.6 at TL8) - the M14 is 1.6lbs(2.6 at TL8) lighter, with magazines being 0.6lbs heavier. Shots 10+1(3) vs 20+1(3) - The 0.6lbs heavier of the M14 compensate here, they have double ammo, meaning that a soldier with a M14 only need to carry half as many magazines. ST 11B† vs 10B† - The M14 has a small edge Bulk -6 vs -6 - Same Recoil 3 vs 3 - Same Cost $4,700/$50 vs $1750/$31($1900/$31 at TL 8) -As before, the price of the modified rifle is much cheaper, the M14 cost's less than 40% of the AI, even very fine it's still 1k cheaper. Same deal as before, the M14 is lighter, have more ammo and is cheaper than the AI, his only disadvantage is the magazine, with is 60% heavier, but also carries double ammo. So, why anyone would use a AI instead of a fine M14? What do you think of changing the rules of firearm quality to make fine rifles heavier and more expensive? Something like: Fine: +20% weight, +2CF Very Fine: +50% weight, +9CF Is realistic to entirely prohibit very fine firearms(I doubt that IRL you can make the AK, the M4 or the P90 as accurate as a PSG or an AI AW without increased weight or bulk, don't matter how much you pay). If the Firearm Quality rules are realistic, can anyone tell me why people use rifles like the AI or the PSG instead of much better rifles here mentioned?