[DF] DF13 - Loadouts Errata thread

[ericbsmith]

Originally Posted by Toadkiller_Dog

Actually until right now, I didn't realize that Oil on DF1 pg. 24 might not include a container already. Weird.

Modern day the weight of a plastic container would add minimally to the weight of a pint of oil. In medieval (or pseudo-medieval) time-frame, however, I'd think oil would be kept in something more sturdy than a skin so would have a not insignificant weight.

[Peter V. Dell'Orto]

Originally Posted by ericbsmith

Sandals and Shoes are listed individually for quite a few loadouts. I suppose you could assume a pair of Sandals ($25, 0.5 lb) is included in the cost and weight of Light Clothing ($60, 1 lb) or Normal Clothing ($120, 2lbs). The Clothing description in the Basic Set p. 266 does say it includes footwear.

Sure, it's just odd to me that "boots" aren't standard issue for adventurers, especially ones wearing DR 2+ armor elsewhere.

It's something I didn't notice earlier. I didn't claim it was errata, I just claimed it was odd.

[sir_pudding]

Originally Posted by Toadkiller_Dog

Actually until right now, I didn't realize that Oil on DF1 pg. 24 might not include a container already. Weird.

None of the liquids in GURPS equipment lists includes the container, AFAICT.

[Peter V. Dell'Orto]

Originally Posted by sir_pudding

None of the liquids in GURPS equipment lists includes the container, AFAICT.

It depends on the liquid - potions explicitly include the container (DF1 pg. 28), and so does Holy Water. Like I mentioned upthread, I just noticed that oil doesn't. I'm going by DF here, not other sources, since it's a supplement for DF.

[sir_pudding]

Originally Posted by Toadkiller_Dog

It depends on the liquid - potions explicitly include the container (DF1 pg. 28), and so does Holy Water.

Ah, yes, I should have said mundane liquids. Water clearly doesn't for example.

[Ze'Manel Cunha]

Originally Posted by Toadkiller_Dog

Sure, it's just odd to me that "boots" aren't standard issue for adventurers, especially ones wearing DR 2+ armor elsewhere.

It's something I didn't notice earlier. I didn't claim it was errata, I just claimed it was odd.

I think we can say that unless otherwise noted everyone is wearing slippers, or some type of soft soled shoe which weighs only a few ounces.

[ericbsmith]

Originally Posted by sir_pudding

Ah, yes, I should have said mundane liquids. Water clearly doesn't for example.

OHOH, the Canteen in DF1 seems to include the 2 lbs of water in it's weight (in the Basic Set a Canteen weighs 1 lb, in DF it weighs 3 lbs).

[Ze'Manel Cunha]

Originally Posted by ericbsmith

OHOH, the Canteen in DF1 seems to include the 2 lbs of water in it's weight (in the Basic Set a Canteen weighs 1 lb, in DF it weighs 3 lbs).

The listing in Basic says 3 lbs too:

Canteen (TL5). Holds 1 quart of liquid (2 lbs. if water). $10, 1 lb

2 lbs of water + 1 lb of canteen = 3 lbs


(Though a quart of water is actually 2.1 lbs, so if it only holds 2 lbs of water it's a bit shy of a quart.)

[Turhan's Bey Company]

Originally Posted by Toadkiller_Dog

It depends on the liquid - potions explicitly include the container (DF1 pg. 28), and so does Holy Water. Like I mentioned upthread, I just noticed that oil doesn't. I'm going by DF here, not other sources, since it's a supplement for DF.

I assumed that, unless otherwise noted, materials come with some kind of bare-minimum containment (pig's bladders, very thin skins, etc.; the DF equivalent of the cardboard carton). I added containers to the innkeeper loadouts to make it explicit that they weren't carrying around drinks in bare-minimum containers.

Originally Posted by Ze'Manel Cunha

I think we can say that unless otherwise noted everyone is wearing slippers, or some type of soft soled shoe which weighs only a few ounces.

This, in almost exactly those words when I was discussing it with Kromm. He wanted to be sure that anything which might provide DR was explicitly purchased. The footgear which comes with clothing (slippers, very thin sandals, etc.) provides no protection. Only the stuff you buy gives DR.

[umbros]

Originally Posted by Toadkiller_Dog

Sure, it's just odd to me that "boots" aren't standard issue for adventurers, especially ones wearing DR 2+ armor elsewhere.

It's something I didn't notice earlier. I didn't claim it was errata, I just claimed it was odd.

It may not be errata, but it is contradictory across all sources.

On pB266 "Ordinary Clothes" are 20% of Cost of Living (~$120 in DF) and 2 lbs, and include "At minimum: undergarments, plus a tunic, blouse, or shirt with hose, skirt, or trousers – or a long tunic, robe, or dress – and suitable footwear."

In Low Tech p98: also 20% of CoL (~$120) and 2 lbs. "Typical work wear or everyday dress for a temperate climate." No specific mention of items included but I think it is safe to go with Basic's itemization except that it lists foot gear as a separate item which makes you think they are not included with clothes.

DF8 p.17 Lists the following: Tunic, Regular $36 0.6 lbs. Shirt, Regular $48 0.8 lbs., Hose, Regular $36 0.6 lbs., Trousers, Regular $72 1.2, Skirt, Regular $30 0.6 lbs., Robe, Regular $72 1.2 lbs., Sandals $24 0.5 lbs., Slippers $35 1 lb., Shoes $40 2 lbs., Short Boots $80 3 lbs.

So if you put together a reasonable outfit from these items... say shirt, trousers and shoes, You get $160 and 4lbs.

hmmm... it seems if you remove the weight and cost of the shoes you get exactly the right weight and cost. $120 and 2 lbs.

Comments?