Listen at the Door

locke · 03-07-2011, 11:29 PM

Ok, so when you draw a card in phase "0" it goes into you hand, then you kick open the door, but when you kick open the door, can it be the card you just drew, or does it have to be a new one?

Thanks!

SmokeRulz · 03-07-2011, 11:34 PM

It has to be a new one. The "Listen at the Door" phase is basically just a free Door card at the start of your turn, if you want one. Your turn proceeds to the "Kick Down the Door" phase like normal.

Consequently, I think this is also why "Loot the Room" phase becomes a Treasure card in the fast play rules. ;)

Andrew Hackard · 03-07-2011, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeRulz

It has to be a new one. The "Listen at the Door" phase is basically just a free Door card at the start of your turn, if you want one. Your turn proceeds to the "Kick Down the Door" phase like normal.

Consequently, I think this is also why "Loot the Room" phase becomes a Treasure card in the fast play rules. ;)

Actually, if you use the Listen ATD rule, you don't get the option -- you HAVE to draw that first Door card. (And yes, that's why Looting becomes a Treasure using that rule -- because after "We don't see enough monnnnnnsters," the second-loudest complaint about Munchkin was "I can never get any Treeeeaaaaasure." Maybe with less whining. ;-) )

locke · 03-07-2011, 11:41 PM

Ok, thanks Andrew. I really like the sound of that rule. Makes more sense to me to do it that way.

SmokeRulz · 03-08-2011, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Andrew Hackard

Actually, if you use the Listen ATD rule, you don't get the option -- you HAVE to draw that first Door card. (And yes, that's why Looting becomes a Treasure using that rule -- because after "We don't see enough monnnnnnsters," the second-loudest complaint about Munchkin was "I can never get any Treeeeaaaaasure." Maybe with less whining. ;-) )

Oh, you HAVE to? I see. I misread the rule and I thought the phase was actually optional. That actually makes sense if it's not. My mistake.

And yeah, I love these Faster Play Rules. The old ones were flawed, I felt.

Doctor Poo · 03-09-2011, 10:43 PM

Yeah, these faster play rules are great. I had always pressured the gamers I was with to just start taking treasures while looting when the game was dragging, but I hadn't thought of a solution to put doors in the hand as well.

SmokeRulz · 03-10-2011, 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Doctor Poo

Yeah, these faster play rules are great. I had always pressured the gamers I was with to just start taking treasures while looting when the game was dragging, but I hadn't thought of a solution to put doors in the hand as well.

We played with the "Faster Play rules" previously just because of the opening hand of 4 & 4. I think I have only played 2 Munchkin games in my whole life that were 2 & 2. No one ever bothered with the "discard a GUAL" rule, either. I don't even think they were aware of it! The rules pretty much didn't make the game go any faster at all, haha.

Definitely love the changes in the new version. 4 & 4 default hand and Faster Play rules that actually make the game faster. I hope to actually get a group of my friends together someday to play with all my new full color cards and new rules.

Andrew Hackard · 03-10-2011, 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by SmokeRulz

Definitely love the changes in the new version. 4 & 4 default hand and Faster Play rules that actually make the game faster.

That was the idea!

We toyed with a couple of other fixes, but decided they made life harder, not easier.

SmokeRulz · 03-10-2011, 02:23 AM

Oh I can tell it was the idea! When I first saw the new rulebook I grinned ear to ear.

Signboy · 03-11-2011, 12:46 PM

I have a related question - although it may just be a restatement of the original question with slightly different specifics. I was playing with friends using faster play rules.

One friend felt that if a monster is drawn during the listen phase, that the player could then fight the monster (basically, Look for Trouble) because the faster play rules state that you may choose to play the drawn card.

I argued that the card drawn while listening should be treated as if it were drawn while looting the room - race, class, curse or race/class modifier cards (and perhaps other types of cards that I can't think of at the moment) may be played, but not monsters.

Which is the correct interpretation?

We ended up ditching the faster play rules because this could not be resolved satisfactorily.

03-07-2011, 11:29 PM	#1
locke Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Iowa	Listen at the Door Ok, so when you draw a card in phase "0" it goes into you hand, then you kick open the door, but when you kick open the door, can it be the card you just drew, or does it have to be a new one? Thanks! __________________ Munchkin,2,3,4,5,6,7,RD,M4D,ME,FD,WFS,SR,CN,Star,2,SS,Fu,2, Bites,2,Super,2,Imp,Cthulhu,2,3,4,GBM,Booty,2,FS,Zombies,2,Axe Cop,W23,MN,Blender

03-07-2011, 11:34 PM	#2
SmokeRulz Join Date: Feb 2011	Re: Listen at the Door It has to be a new one. The "Listen at the Door" phase is basically just a free Door card at the start of your turn, if you want one. Your turn proceeds to the "Kick Down the Door" phase like normal. Consequently, I think this is also why "Loot the Room" phase becomes a Treasure card in the fast play rules. ;) __________________ Munchkin: 1-8, boosters/supplements Zombies: 1-4, Dice, 1-3, supplements Cthulhu: 1-4, Dice, supplements Apocalypse: 1-2, supplements Legends: 1

03-07-2011, 11:41 PM	#4
locke Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Iowa	Re: Listen at the Door Ok, thanks Andrew. I really like the sound of that rule. Makes more sense to me to do it that way. __________________ Munchkin,2,3,4,5,6,7,RD,M4D,ME,FD,WFS,SR,CN,Star,2,SS,Fu,2, Bites,2,Super,2,Imp,Cthulhu,2,3,4,GBM,Booty,2,FS,Zombies,2,Axe Cop,W23,MN,Blender

03-09-2011, 10:43 PM	#6
Doctor Poo Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Lubbock, TX	Re: Listen at the Door Yeah, these faster play rules are great. I had always pressured the gamers I was with to just start taking treasures while looting when the game was dragging, but I hadn't thought of a solution to put doors in the hand as well. __________________ M1-7, Dice, RL, MfD, GUAL, KoM, ME, W23, WfS, SR, MN, FD \| Blender \| Star,2,SS \| Fu,2 \| Bites,2 \| Super,2 \| Impossible \| Cthulu 1-4 \| Good/Bad \| Zombies

03-10-2011, 02:23 AM	#9
SmokeRulz Join Date: Feb 2011	Re: Listen at the Door Oh I can tell it was the idea! When I first saw the new rulebook I grinned ear to ear. __________________ Munchkin: 1-8, boosters/supplements Zombies: 1-4, Dice, 1-3, supplements Cthulhu: 1-4, Dice, supplements Apocalypse: 1-2, supplements Legends: 1

03-11-2011, 12:46 PM	#10
Signboy Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Reno, NV	Re: Listen at the Door I have a related question - although it may just be a restatement of the original question with slightly different specifics. I was playing with friends using faster play rules. One friend felt that if a monster is drawn during the listen phase, that the player could then fight the monster (basically, Look for Trouble) because the faster play rules state that you may choose to play the drawn card. I argued that the card drawn while listening should be treated as if it were drawn while looting the room - race, class, curse or race/class modifier cards (and perhaps other types of cards that I can't think of at the moment) may be played, but not monsters. Which is the correct interpretation? We ended up ditching the faster play rules because this could not be resolved satisfactorily. __________________ "If this isn't nice, I don't know what is" - Kurt Vonnegut's dad.