So is there pain in Heaven?

JCD · 02-11-2011, 10:40 AM

I'm looking at Heaven as a philosophical construct and how the experience there would inform the character of angels.

First, if there is no pain in Heaven, then a trip to Earth would be a huge change for your average Celestial. Perhaps pain control is why Celestials are so buff: Angels because they have the pain sensors turned off, demons because...Hey! It's just another day in Hell.

Second: Lying. No on can lie in Heaven. The language doesn't allow it. One can be mistaken. One can not fully inform someone. One can have a different opinion. But direct lying is a no no. This expectation will be one of the hardest for a Heavenly Celestial to get over, I'm thinking.

Third: The expectation of solidarity. For all their flaws, one has the expectation in Heaven that even the worst Dominican wouldn't consider a Warrior would put an axe into his back. Yell, scream, disagree? Sure. Attack? Pax Dei!

Fourth: A lack of want. Novalis somehow always has more cropland. No one's Cathedral ever gets filled to the brim. If everything is Essence, one wonders what scarcity there is in Marc's bazaar, which seems a contradiction.

It's been established that Celestials can differ or even be wrong, otherwise there was no reason to have an Angel of Judgment. So Heaven isn't perfect.

How does Heaven get around this? Where do you agree or disagree? It would seem that Heaven would need a heck of a lot more training then your average demon, who can be let loose with the admonition to wear clothes, pay for stuff, and don't kill anybody.

02-11-2011, 10:40 AM	#1
JCD Join Date: May 2008 Location: Birthplace of the Worst Pizza on the Planet	So is there pain in Heaven? I'm looking at Heaven as a philosophical construct and how the experience there would inform the character of angels. First, if there is no pain in Heaven, then a trip to Earth would be a huge change for your average Celestial. Perhaps pain control is why Celestials are so buff: Angels because they have the pain sensors turned off, demons because...Hey! It's just another day in Hell. Second: Lying. No on can lie in Heaven. The language doesn't allow it. One can be mistaken. One can not fully inform someone. One can have a different opinion. But direct lying is a no no. This expectation will be one of the hardest for a Heavenly Celestial to get over, I'm thinking. Third: The expectation of solidarity. For all their flaws, one has the expectation in Heaven that even the worst Dominican wouldn't consider a Warrior would put an axe into his back. Yell, scream, disagree? Sure. Attack? Pax Dei! Fourth: A lack of want. Novalis somehow always has more cropland. No one's Cathedral ever gets filled to the brim. If everything is Essence, one wonders what scarcity there is in Marc's bazaar, which seems a contradiction. It's been established that Celestials can differ or even be wrong, otherwise there was no reason to have an Angel of Judgment. So Heaven isn't perfect. How does Heaven get around this? Where do you agree or disagree? It would seem that Heaven would need a heck of a lot more training then your average demon, who can be let loose with the admonition to wear clothes, pay for stuff, and don't kill anybody.