Question on "Won't Pursue"

Jinxstar · 11-30-2010, 10:17 PM

So another silly question I tried searching the rules and the PDF and the forums to get an answer too but couldn't. We were playing the other night and my buddy kicked down a door to find a level 20 that "Will not pursue anyone below level 4" Or something to that effect. He was a level 2. He then said "Ok my turn is over" I said "What? Aren't you going to loot the room" He said "It's basically running away without bad stuff so I don't get to draw" I said "He won't pursue you. Essentially he walks away and you loot whats left int he room i.e. a door card"... I could not find anywhere in the rules that said one way or the other but I figure it's just like any other card that does nothing to you like a class card. You just loot the room and go to charity. He does not agree... Who is right? Also on top of that could he being a level 2 get a level 4 friend recruited to help fight the monster or would the monster have already fled?

Thanks in advance. I know it's silly but we were divided at the table and wanted an official ruling. Thanks again guys =D

RevBob · 11-30-2010, 10:33 PM

Your buddy was right; "will not pursue" is not the same as "does not fight." Combat begins because the monster will fight, but your buddy took a valid option: Run Away, get away automatically because the monster doesn't pursue him, do not loot, skip straight to charity.

At the same time, he did have the option to ask for help and slug it out, if he chose to.

Genpin · 11-30-2010, 10:51 PM

your friend is right, Munchkin is a turn-phased game, and when you encounter a monster you enter in the combat phase, so looting the room is not an option unless you defeat the monster or play other cards/abilities that allow you to do so (loot the room: dead, out to lunch, etc)

An example of this "ruling" is: if you're not losing a combat, you're not allowed to ask for help.

Kirt · 11-30-2010, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by The Rules

(3) Loot The Room: If you did not find a monster by kicking open the door and you did not Look For Trouble, you loot
the room . . . draw a second card from the Door deck, face down,
and place it in your hand. If you met a monster but ran away, you don’t get to loot the room.

He ran away, the monster did not pursue, he does not get to loot.

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Originally Posted by RevBob

Your buddy was right; "will not pursue" is not the same as "does not fight." Combat begins because the monster will fight, but your buddy took a valid option: Run Away, get away automatically because the monster doesn't pursue him, do not loot, skip straight to charity.

Point of clarification; do not skip straight to charity. After running away, if you are still alive, you still have the option to do things that are not allowed in combat: sell, trade, steal, equip, unequip.

Only when you have exhausted all possible actions on your turn do you go to charity.

Morfeatire · 12-01-2010, 04:41 AM

I've got a related question.

Under the old rules, if you met a friendly monster, you would continue your turn ad loot the room.

Under the new even if its friendly it counts as a combat.

Is it right?
Was that the intention?
Am I missing something?

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Originally Posted by RevBob

Your buddy was right; "will not pursue" is not the same as "does not fight." Combat begins because the monster will fight, but your buddy took a valid option: Run Away, get away automatically because the monster doesn't pursue him, do not loot, skip straight to charity.

Revbob made me wonder about it with his answer.

Genpin · 12-01-2010, 06:57 AM

Yes... before the new rules, friendly was a term loosely defined that caused trouble, now all the possible "friendly" monsters have instructions about what happens if they don't fight in their descriptions

http://forums.sjgames.com/showthread...light=friendly
http://forums.sjgames.com/showthread...endly+Monsters

Munchykin · 12-01-2010, 09:39 AM

In role playing sense. You kicked down a door and found a monster there guarding some treasure. You can't beat him so you have to run away down the hall far far away. He won't work that hard to chase you because you're too weak and not worth the effort. You're no longer in a room at that point so "loot the room" is no longer an option.

Jinxstar · 12-01-2010, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Munchykin

In role playing sense. You kicked down a door and found a monster there guarding some treasure. You can't beat him so you have to run away down the hall far far away. He won't work that hard to chase you because you're too weak and not worth the effort. You're no longer in a room at that point so "loot the room" is no longer an option.

Things like this make me feel like I could force a fight if I wanted to... Without help if I wanted. If he won't pursue me can I still pursue him?... Because otherwise it feels like I go into the room and the monster just doesn't care and let's me pass or just goes away om his own.

Munchykin · 12-01-2010, 10:59 AM

At the point that you kick in the door and find a monster, you are in combat and fighting that monster. If you can kill it, then kill it. "Will not pursue" only comes into effect when you decide to run away because you can't win. It just means the monster won't run after you if you decide to leave the room and run away. "Will not pursue" doesn't mean that the monster ignores you and won't defend the room that it lives in. It just mean that it doesn't care enough about you to chase you if you decide to leave that room and run away.

MunchkinMan · 12-01-2010, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Jinxstar

Things like this make me feel like I could force a fight if I wanted to... Without help if I wanted. If he won't pursue me can I still pursue him?... Because otherwise it feels like I go into the room and the monster just doesn't care and let's me pass or just goes away om his own.

Nothing on the cards say you can't fight a Monster who won't pursue someone and no one here has said that, either. If you're Level 4 and fighting the Plutonium Dragon and come up with 17 in bonuses, why wouldn't you be allowed to fight it? Pursuit is not fighting, and you're looking at the concept of "pursue" incorrectly. If you Run Away, at Level 4, the Plutonium Dragon won't chase you, so rolling against it will always garner a success in that case. However, the Amazon will not fight a female character and leaves immediately if one is present. The Laywers will not fight a Thief, and give them an opportunity to make a "deal" before leaving.

11-30-2010, 10:17 PM	#1
Jinxstar Join Date: Nov 2010	Question on "Won't Pursue" So another silly question I tried searching the rules and the PDF and the forums to get an answer too but couldn't. We were playing the other night and my buddy kicked down a door to find a level 20 that "Will not pursue anyone below level 4" Or something to that effect. He was a level 2. He then said "Ok my turn is over" I said "What? Aren't you going to loot the room" He said "It's basically running away without bad stuff so I don't get to draw" I said "He won't pursue you. Essentially he walks away and you loot whats left int he room i.e. a door card"... I could not find anywhere in the rules that said one way or the other but I figure it's just like any other card that does nothing to you like a class card. You just loot the room and go to charity. He does not agree... Who is right? Also on top of that could he being a level 2 get a level 4 friend recruited to help fight the monster or would the monster have already fled? Thanks in advance. I know it's silly but we were divided at the table and wanted an official ruling. Thanks again guys =D

11-30-2010, 10:33 PM	#2
RevBob Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Here on the perimeter, there are no stars	Re: Question on "Won't Pursue" Your buddy was right; "will not pursue" is not the same as "does not fight." Combat begins because the monster will fight, but your buddy took a valid option: Run Away, get away automatically because the monster doesn't pursue him, do not loot, skip straight to charity. At the same time, he did have the option to ask for help and slug it out, if he chose to. __________________ Find me at @RevBobTnJ * Goodreads Looking for a St. Aosbczkcs medal.

11-30-2010, 10:51 PM	#3
Genpin MIB Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Buenos Aires, Argentina	Re: Question on "Won't Pursue" your friend is right, Munchkin is a turn-phased game, and when you encounter a monster you enter in the combat phase, so looting the room is not an option unless you defeat the monster or play other cards/abilities that allow you to do so (loot the room: dead, out to lunch, etc) An example of this "ruling" is: if you're not losing a combat, you're not allowed to ask for help. __________________ MIB #6311 - Buenos Aires, Argentina

12-01-2010, 06:57 AM	#6
Genpin MIB Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Buenos Aires, Argentina	Re: Question on "Won't Pursue" Yes... before the new rules, friendly was a term loosely defined that caused trouble, now all the possible "friendly" monsters have instructions about what happens if they don't fight in their descriptions http://forums.sjgames.com/showthread...light=friendly http://forums.sjgames.com/showthread...endly+Monsters __________________ MIB #6311 - Buenos Aires, Argentina Last edited by Genpin; 12-01-2010 at 07:01 AM.

12-01-2010, 09:39 AM	#7
Munchykin Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Lawrence, MA	Re: Question on "Won't Pursue" In role playing sense. You kicked down a door and found a monster there guarding some treasure. You can't beat him so you have to run away down the hall far far away. He won't work that hard to chase you because you're too weak and not worth the effort. You're no longer in a room at that point so "loot the room" is no longer an option.

12-01-2010, 10:59 AM	#9
Munchykin Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Lawrence, MA	Re: Question on "Won't Pursue" At the point that you kick in the door and find a monster, you are in combat and fighting that monster. If you can kill it, then kill it. "Will not pursue" only comes into effect when you decide to run away because you can't win. It just means the monster won't run after you if you decide to leave the room and run away. "Will not pursue" doesn't mean that the monster ignores you and won't defend the room that it lives in. It just mean that it doesn't care enough about you to chase you if you decide to leave that room and run away.