[G4e] Repeated Attempts for First-Aid Skill Rolls?

[Polydamas]

Originally Posted by Edges

Oh. I didn't know that. I always assumed it did. So does that mean anyone with a 7+ IQ can do it? I assume you mean that the rolls aren't required unless you're using optional bleeding rules (since bandaging is pretty trivial with the default rules).

On MA138 where it says, "Optionally, apply the total penalty to bleeding rolls...to First Aid rolls made to halt bleeding", I interpreted that to mean that the additional penalties are optional but not the "halt bleeding" rolls themselves. But I have been accused of misinterpreting the RAW before.

That was how I assumed it worked too. Among other things, it makes a First Aid Kit and bandages useful in low TL games where the extra healing for taking 30 minutes is very low (1d-4 or 1d-3) so few PCs will take that long. I've been experimenting whether or not to apply the bleeding penalty to First Aid rolls in the game I run.

Also see the rules in various books which require a Surgery roll to stop some bleeding.

I wonder what would be a fair penalty to bandage your own wounds?

[AmesJainchill]

Originally Posted by Polydamas

I wonder what would be a fair penalty to bandage your own wounds?

I'd apply penalties for the wound's position on the body and a penalty based on encumbrance.

[mook]

Originally Posted by Rev. Pee Kitty

Bandaging doesn't require a roll, unless you're trying to use the Time Spent rules to do it quickly. It's automatic, and it's assume that that's the first minute of first aid.

Hmm, I never noticed a disparity before. The First Aid skill (p. B195) explicitly says "Make a skill roll to halt bleeding...", but Bandaging (p. B424) doesn't mention a skill roll until it gets to, "Using the Bleeding rule (p. 420), someone who ... receives a successful First Aid roll within one minute of his injury loses no HP to bleeding."

Bandaging only requires a skill roll then if the optional bleeding rules are in effect?

[Bruno]

Originally Posted by mook

Bandaging only requires a skill roll then if the optional bleeding rules are in effect?

As far as I can tell even if you are using the bleeding rules, straight up bandaging (no roll) still restores one HP - it just doesn't necessarily stop bleeding unless you make the First Aid roll.

[PK]

I'm embarrassed to admit this, but I had apparently let a third edition rule take root in my brain. In the old edition, an unskilled person could bandage for 1 HP, but using the First-Aid skill potentially healed more.

In fourth edition, both effective bandaging (which stops bleeding and restores 1 HP) and full trauma treatment (which does the above, plus potentially recovers more HP) require successful First Aid rolls.

[Stripe]

Originally Posted by Rev. Pee Kitty

I'm embarrassed to admit this, but I had apparently let a third edition rule take root in my brain. In the old edition, an unskilled person could bandage for 1 HP, but using the First-Aid skill potentially healed more.

In fourth edition, both effective bandaging (which stops bleeding and restores 1 HP) and full trauma treatment (which does the above, plus potentially recovers more HP) require successful First Aid rolls.

You're fired. Just...just get your stuff and leave.

:D Just kidding!

So, my summery post (#3)was all good? Jut making sure.

What about my questions about the physician skill (#4)? B424 explicitly states a "Physician roll" can be made to restore 1 additional HP per week at TL3. TL1-3 are included on the table on B425. But, the Physician skill doesn't exist below TL5...?