Resurrection vs. Stacked Deck

[aeronaut]

A cleric, at the beginning of her turn, uses the resurrection power to take the top card from the discard pile instead of kicking down the door. She discards a card to power the resurrection. Before anything else happens, another player plays stacked deck to take the card that the cleric resurrected. Is this legal?

My reading is that since the resurrection power states "Instead of drawing a face up card, ....", the cleric never draws a face up card, so stacked deck can't be used. Stacked deck states that when a player draws a face up card, you can take it, discard stacked deck, and they take another card.

Now, if stacked deck can be used, what happens next? Does the cleric take the next card off the door discard pile (which may be the card she used to power the resurrection,) and if so does she need to discard another card to power that resurrection, or does she have the option of taking the top door card?

Please advise.

Regards,
aeronaut

[Kirt]

Originally Posted by aeronaut

My reading is that since the resurrection power states "Instead of drawing a face up card, ....", the cleric never draws a face up card, so stacked deck can't be used. Stacked deck states that when a player draws a face up card, you can take it, discard stacked deck, and they take another card.

The cleric's resurrection IS a face-up draw, because it perfectly replaces another face-up draw. So, instead of turning the top Door card face-up for "Kicking in the Door", the cleric instead takes the top Door discard as a face up draw.

Thus, I believe the resurrection would allow the Stacked Deck to be used.

What happens next I think calls for an official ruling. Does the cleric then replace the stolen draw with a Door card, the top Door discard, or the player's choice of the two?

My sense is that if the cleric does get the top discard, that the Stacked Deck is not that discard - the Stacked Deck is reserved until the resolution of the resurrection replacement, and THEN discarded.

[MunchkinMan]

It is correct that the resurrection replaces the draw, so, yes, Stacked Deck can be played.

So, the Cleric must discard his hand card to resolve his resurrected face-up draw, then hand over the resurrected Door card. Stacked Deck is then discarded, resolving that card, and then the Cleric must draw a new face-up Door card. If he wants to resurrect, he may, at the cost of card from his hand.

[aeronaut]

Originally Posted by MunchkinMan

... then the Cleric must draw a new face-up Door card. If he wants to resurrect, he may, at the cost of card from his hand.

So what this says is that if someone uses stacked deck on a resurrected card, the cleric is kind of hosed on his first resurrection, and would have to spend a second card to take presumably the stacked deck off the top of the door discard pile, or if stacked deck is a treasure card (can't remember), then either the card that she (cleric) originally discarded (if a door) or the next card down in the door deck.

Seems like it makes the cleric pay twice to use the power. Admittedly, stacked deck is a powerful and rare card, and perhaps it should be allowed to mess up other abilities like this.

Regards,
aeronaut

[MunchkinMan]

The Cleric is not forced in anyway to resurrect on the second draw, nor do I see the card as overly "powerful," it just does what it does and that's how it all works out. I don't see this as a very complex issue, either:

• The Cleric performs and completes an action (in this case, resurrection to Open A Door) which meets the conditions of playing Stacked Deck against him.
• Another player plays Stacked Deck, taking the card just drawn.
• The Cleric is now back to the point where he can draw a face-up door card, so he is welcome to resurrect if he so desires, but not forced.

[bonetm]

But the Cleric is allowed to draw a replacement, as per the Stacked Deck rule. Does this replacement comes from the top of the discards? This seems reasonable, since he was going to draw from the discards, but this can be bad. Can he choose?

[Andrew Hackard]

Originally Posted by bonetm

But the Cleric is allowed to draw a replacement, as per the Stacked Deck rule. Does this replacement comes from the top of the discards? This seems reasonable, since he was going to draw from the discards, but this can be bad. Can he choose?

The Cleric may draw from the Door deck, or he may use Resurrection *again* to take the top Door discard.

[MunchkinMan]

Originally Posted by Andrew Hackard

The Cleric may draw from the Door deck, or he may use Resurrection *again* to take the top Door discard.

I feel like I said that twice now. Here's hoping the third time's the charm. . . lol

[aeronaut]

Originally Posted by Andrew Hackard

The Cleric may draw from the Door deck, or he may use Resurrection *again* to take the top Door discard.

Understood and accepted. But note that the card on top of the door discard pile may be:

1) The card the cleric discarded to use the resurrection power the first time.
2) The stacked deck card (if it's a door and not a treasure), which might be a reasonable result. I can't remember or find online whether stacked deck is a door or treasure.

Regards,
aeronaut

[maxdemon76]

Originally Posted by aeronaut

Understood and accepted. But note that the card on top of the door discard pile may be:

1) The card the cleric discarded to use the resurrection power the first time.
2) The stacked deck card (if it's a door and not a treasure), which might be a reasonable result. I can't remember or find online whether stacked deck is a door or treasure.

Regards,
aeronaut

Well if it's the card that the cleric originally discarded, it doesn't seem all that worth it to use resurrection again in order to retrieve it back. I'd probably just draw from the deck.