"Help me out Here" + "Pollymorph Potion"... - Page 2

YappyTypeDog · 04-12-2010, 09:44 PM

My friends and I were playing, and when this happened, the game became a 45 minute long debate about the rules, and the context of how these cards work in different circumstances.

So, one player has a pollymorph potion in his belt. Another player has turned a face-up door that is the 3,872 Orcs. He cannot beat them, and decides to use the Help me out Here to take the pollymorph potion, turn the orcs into a parrot, and take the treasure w/o killing anything.

The writing on 'Help me out Here' is very specific about only being able to use the card to take an item that will make the difference between winning and losing a fight. My problem is that the definition of 'winning' and 'losing' a fight is very vague.

Does winning require you kill something, or only avoid bad stuff? If so, at what point do you stop winning and start losing?

Can I use 'Help me out Here' to go from definitely losing to not losing but not killing anything?

Can I use 'Help me out Here' to go from not killing anything (but being in no danger to bad stuff) to killing something?

Another one that actually has come up: Can I use 'Help me out Here' to preemptively take a monster enhancer or battle-ending card (practice match or friendship potion) from a player who will otherwise use it to end my fight when I could win?

Has anyone else out there had these debates, and if so, what conclusions did you come to? We've got an idea we're working with now but I was wondering what others thought.

We've decided that you can use 'help me out here' at any time in combat to take an item from someone that will put you from having to attempt to run away to not having to run away, whether that means you kill something or not. But you cannot use it in a situation where you don't actually need to run away (monster will not pursue, or someone else has ended the fight).

Any thoughts?

04-12-2010, 09:44 PM	#1
YappyTypeDog Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Milwaukee	"Help me out Here" + "Pollymorph Potion"... My friends and I were playing, and when this happened, the game became a 45 minute long debate about the rules, and the context of how these cards work in different circumstances. So, one player has a pollymorph potion in his belt. Another player has turned a face-up door that is the 3,872 Orcs. He cannot beat them, and decides to use the Help me out Here to take the pollymorph potion, turn the orcs into a parrot, and take the treasure w/o killing anything. The writing on 'Help me out Here' is very specific about only being able to use the card to take an item that will make the difference between winning and losing a fight. My problem is that the definition of 'winning' and 'losing' a fight is very vague. Does winning require you kill something, or only avoid bad stuff? If so, at what point do you stop winning and start losing? Can I use 'Help me out Here' to go from definitely losing to not losing but not killing anything? Can I use 'Help me out Here' to go from not killing anything (but being in no danger to bad stuff) to killing something? Another one that actually has come up: Can I use 'Help me out Here' to preemptively take a monster enhancer or battle-ending card (practice match or friendship potion) from a player who will otherwise use it to end my fight when I could win? Has anyone else out there had these debates, and if so, what conclusions did you come to? We've got an idea we're working with now but I was wondering what others thought. We've decided that you can use 'help me out here' at any time in combat to take an item from someone that will put you from having to attempt to run away to not having to run away, whether that means you kill something or not. But you cannot use it in a situation where you don't actually need to run away (monster will not pursue, or someone else has ended the fight). Any thoughts?