[WWII] Elefant tank destroyer (German)

copeab · 03-14-2010, 08:32 AM

Those wanting to use this in 4e should multiply DR by 0.71, as well as other required changes.
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Panzerjager Tiger (P) Ferdinand/Elefant (SdKfz 184) heavy tank destroyer
Copyright 2010 by Brandon Cope

Porsche had built ninety-odd heavy tank chassis in expectation of getting the contract for the Panzer VI (Tiger), which went to Henschel instead. It was decided in late 1942 to convert these to tank destroyers by adding a superstructure with a long-barreled 88mm gun and bolting on an extra 100mm of armor to the hull front. Named Ferdinand (in honor of Dr. Ferdinand Porsche), they began entering service in spring 1943 and two battalions of 45 vehicles each were ready for Kursk. They fared poorly, more being lost to technical problems than enemy fire. The primary cause of this unreliability was the electric motors; the engines were mounted mid-body, powering electric motors which in turn drove the track's drive sprockets. In late 1943, the fifty or so still operational were removed from the front lines and underwent modifications, including the addition of a hull MG as well as the application of Zimmerit anti-magnetic paint. These vehicles were renamed Elefant and were ready for service by spring 1944. Lack of replacement parts and continued unreliability led to a continual decline in numbers. Before the war ended, none were left running. The Elefant could provide hard-hitting, long-range firepower in a defensive role, but was highly vulnerable to close infantry attacks and was virtually useless in offensive operations.

The driver and radio operator/MG gunner were located in the front of the hull, each with an overhead hatch. Behind them were the engines. At the rear of the hull was the fighting compartment. There were two hatches atop the superstructure and one hatch at the rear of it.

The Elefant has a crew of six. The commander and cannon gunner sit in the turret. The two loaders are split between the chassis and superstructure. The driver and radio operator/MG gunner sit in the body. The Elefant uses 14.8 gallons of gasoline per hour at routine usage.

Subassemblies: Very Large Tank chassis +4, Medium TD superstructure with heavy slope [Body:T] +3, tracks +3.
Powertrain: 2x220-kW gasoline engine and 440-kW electric motor w/440-kW tracked drive train and 224 gallons in standard fuel tank [Body]; 16,000-kWs batteries.
Occupancy: 2 CS Body, 2 CS Sup, 2 CS Both Cargo: 1 Superstructure.

Armor
Body: F 4/775, RL 4/310, B 4/310, TU 4/100
Superstructure: F 4/775, RL 5/310, B 5/310, T 4/100
Tracks: 4/50

Weaponry
88mm Long TG/Krupp PaK 43/2 [Sup:F] (50).
Ground LMG/MG 34 [Body:F] (600).

Equipment
Body: Small radio receiver and transmitter, fire extinguisher.

Statistics
Size: 27’¥11’¥10’
Payload: 2.53 tons
Lwt: 75.2 tons
Volume: 202
Maint.: 23 hours
Price: $76,500

HT: 7
HP: 2300 [Body], 360 [Superstructure], 800 [Each Track]

gSpeed: 18
gAccel: 2
gDecel: 20
gMR: 0.25
gSR: 6
GP: High (1/3)

Design Notes
Speed was reduced from the design speed of 25 mph. The design weight was increased 2% to match historical weight. Superstructure armor is Expensive. HT was reduced by 1 to represent the unreliability of the vehicle.

To represent the superstructure sloping, a new sloping option (called 'heavy') was used. It provides 30 degree sloping on three sides and reduced VSP to 36.

Many sources list an MG 34 being carried loose inside the vehicle, used by a crewman from an open hatch (exposing him to return fire) or when dismounted.

Variants
Three of the five vehicles completed with Krupp turrets for the mid-1942 trials versus the Henshel design were later converted to heavy recovery vehicles.

Stoob · 03-14-2010, 01:23 PM

Do you have a website or single thread where all these WWII machines are collected? Seems like a good idea.

PPoS · 03-14-2010, 01:34 PM

Ah thx for the design, something that I was missing in the books.
I could create a pdf with all designs posted on the forums, if I'm allowed to do so ofc.

Þorkell · 03-14-2010, 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stoob

Do you have a website or single thread where all these WWII machines are collected? Seems like a good idea.

Click the link in his sig.

copeab · 03-14-2010, 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Þorkell

Click the link in his sig.

More directly:

http://copeab.tripod.com/Vehicles/GU...cles.html#WWII

PPoS · 03-14-2010, 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jacobmuller

Copyright opensource material interpretted to use someone else's game system? ROFL

Nothing weird about it. It's his original design.

03-14-2010, 08:32 AM	#1
copeab Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: near Houston	[WWII] Elefant tank destroyer (German) Those wanting to use this in 4e should multiply DR by 0.71, as well as other required changes. --------------------------------------------------------- Panzerjager Tiger (P) Ferdinand/Elefant (SdKfz 184) heavy tank destroyer Copyright 2010 by Brandon Cope Porsche had built ninety-odd heavy tank chassis in expectation of getting the contract for the Panzer VI (Tiger), which went to Henschel instead. It was decided in late 1942 to convert these to tank destroyers by adding a superstructure with a long-barreled 88mm gun and bolting on an extra 100mm of armor to the hull front. Named Ferdinand (in honor of Dr. Ferdinand Porsche), they began entering service in spring 1943 and two battalions of 45 vehicles each were ready for Kursk. They fared poorly, more being lost to technical problems than enemy fire. The primary cause of this unreliability was the electric motors; the engines were mounted mid-body, powering electric motors which in turn drove the track's drive sprockets. In late 1943, the fifty or so still operational were removed from the front lines and underwent modifications, including the addition of a hull MG as well as the application of Zimmerit anti-magnetic paint. These vehicles were renamed Elefant and were ready for service by spring 1944. Lack of replacement parts and continued unreliability led to a continual decline in numbers. Before the war ended, none were left running. The Elefant could provide hard-hitting, long-range firepower in a defensive role, but was highly vulnerable to close infantry attacks and was virtually useless in offensive operations. The driver and radio operator/MG gunner were located in the front of the hull, each with an overhead hatch. Behind them were the engines. At the rear of the hull was the fighting compartment. There were two hatches atop the superstructure and one hatch at the rear of it. The Elefant has a crew of six. The commander and cannon gunner sit in the turret. The two loaders are split between the chassis and superstructure. The driver and radio operator/MG gunner sit in the body. The Elefant uses 14.8 gallons of gasoline per hour at routine usage. Subassemblies: Very Large Tank chassis +4, Medium TD superstructure with heavy slope [Body:T] +3, tracks +3. Powertrain: 2x220-kW gasoline engine and 440-kW electric motor w/440-kW tracked drive train and 224 gallons in standard fuel tank [Body]; 16,000-kWs batteries. Occupancy: 2 CS Body, 2 CS Sup, 2 CS Both Cargo: 1 Superstructure. Armor Body: F 4/775, RL 4/310, B 4/310, TU 4/100 Superstructure: F 4/775, RL 5/310, B 5/310, T 4/100 Tracks: 4/50 Weaponry 88mm Long TG/Krupp PaK 43/2 [Sup:F] (50). Ground LMG/MG 34 [Body:F] (600). Equipment Body: Small radio receiver and transmitter, fire extinguisher. Statistics Size: 27’¥11’¥10’ Payload: 2.53 tons Lwt: 75.2 tons Volume: 202 Maint.: 23 hours Price: $76,500 HT: 7 HP: 2300 [Body], 360 [Superstructure], 800 [Each Track] gSpeed: 18 gAccel: 2 gDecel: 20 gMR: 0.25 gSR: 6 GP: High (1/3) Design Notes Speed was reduced from the design speed of 25 mph. The design weight was increased 2% to match historical weight. Superstructure armor is Expensive. HT was reduced by 1 to represent the unreliability of the vehicle. To represent the superstructure sloping, a new sloping option (called 'heavy') was used. It provides 30 degree sloping on three sides and reduced VSP to 36. Many sources list an MG 34 being carried loose inside the vehicle, used by a crewman from an open hatch (exposing him to return fire) or when dismounted. Variants Three of the five vehicles completed with Krupp turrets for the mid-1942 trials versus the Henshel design were later converted to heavy recovery vehicles. __________________ A generous and sadistic GM, Brandon Cope GURPS 3e stuff: http://copeab.tripod.com Last edited by copeab; 03-14-2010 at 08:39 AM.

03-14-2010, 01:23 PM	#2
Stoob Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: USA	Re: [WWII] Elefant tank destroyer (German) Do you have a website or single thread where all these WWII machines are collected? Seems like a good idea.

03-14-2010, 01:34 PM	#3
PPoS Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Sweden (but mostly this forum)	Re: [WWII] Elefant tank destroyer (German) Ah thx for the design, something that I was missing in the books. I could create a pdf with all designs posted on the forums, if I'm allowed to do so ofc. __________________ - Yeah sure, but what’s the purpose behind the survival of the species? To what end do we need to survive? - I 'unno. I'ma go watch Terminator 3. Then goto bed dude. You keep pondering the Universe.