Mommy and Two-Headed

[Koto]

Hi. I'm not pretty sure how many levels will have a Mommy when the card "Two-Headed" is played in his child BEFORE Mommy appears.

For example:

I use Baby (-5) over 3,872 Orcs (Lvl 10), so I got a Lvl 5 monster. Ok, then I use Mommy, so the Mommy haves Lvl 20, because Baby doesn't affect her. Other player use Brood (+10) over the monster. Finally, I use over the baby "Two-Headed", so...

Baby 3,872 Orcs = (Lvl 10 - 5 + 10) x 2 = 30

Mommy 3,872 Orcs = (Lvl 20 + 10) x 2 = 60

That's correct, right?
...

But what happens in the next case?

I use Baby (-5) over 3,872 Orcs (Lvl 10), so I got a Lvl 5 monster. Ok, then I use "Two-Headed", which doubles the levels of the monster and his enhacers. Other player uses Brood (+10) over it. Finally, I use Mommy...

I know Baby will be:

Baby 3,872 Orcs = (Lvl. 10 - 5 + 10) x 2 = 30

But what happens with Mommy? Her +10 extra levels are doubled by the "Two-Headed" or just plus at the end?

Mommy 3,872 Orcs = (Lvl. 20 + 10) x 2 = 60

or...

Mommy 3,872 Orcs = (Lvl. 10 + 10) x 2 + 10 = 50

What is the correct way? I wanted to know because this could make important the playin-cards order... Hope my question was fully clear. Thanks!

See ya

[Andrew Hackard]

You'll have to wait for my answer, because I don't have a copy of the database at home and I'm NOT sorting through all my cards to figure this one out in detail.

Everyone else, please let me tackle this, rather than offering your own opinions. This is a complicated enough question that I'd rather just give the official answer once and be done with it.

[Andrew Hackard]

You have Baby Two-Headed 3,872 Orcs and a Brood. That's 10 for the Orcs, -5 for Baby, +10 for Brood for a total of 15, doubled for Two-Headed. So the original monster has a combat strength of 30.

Mommy is a duplicate of the original monster but 10 levels higher, ignoring Baby. So, leaving Baby out, Two-Headed 3,872 Orcs with a Brood is 10 for the Orcs, +10 for the Brood, doubled for Two-Headed, for a total of 40 -- and then Mommy adds 10 more for a total of 50.

[Koto]

Originally Posted by Andrew Hackard

You have Baby Two-Headed 3,872 Orcs and a Brood. That's 10 for the Orcs, -5 for Baby, +10 for Brood for a total of 15, doubled for Two-Headed. So the original monster has a combat strength of 30.

Mommy is a duplicate of the original monster but 10 levels higher, ignoring Baby. So, leaving Baby out, Two-Headed 3,872 Orcs with a Brood is 10 for the Orcs, +10 for the Brood, doubled for Two-Headed, for a total of 40 -- and then Mommy adds 10 more for a total of 50.

Ok, gotcha. But if I play Mommy first (Like the first example), her level will be 60, right?

Thanks

See ya

EDIT: I mean, this is ok?

For example:

I use Baby (-5) over 3,872 Orcs (Lvl 10), so I got a Lvl 5 monster. Ok, then I use Mommy, so the Mommy haves Lvl 20, because Baby doesn't affect her. Other player use Brood (+10) over the monster. Finally, I use over the baby "Two-Headed", so...

Baby 3,872 Orcs = (Lvl 10 - 5 + 10) x 2 = 30

Mommy 3,872 Orcs = (Lvl 20 + 10) x 2 = 60

[Andrew Hackard]

Originally Posted by Koto

Ok, gotcha. But if I play Mommy first (Like the first example), her level will be 60, right?

No. The order the cards are played in does not matter. The rules are very clear on that point.

[Koto]

Originally Posted by Andrew Hackard

No. The order the cards are played in does not matter. The rules are very clear on that point.

Ok, I understand now how Mommy is used. Thanks!

See ya

[Koto]

Oh, my friend makes me a final question...

What happens if you play Two-Headed OVER the Mommy? In our example, will get 60 levels or the infamous 50? Thanks

See ya

[Andrew Hackard]

Originally Posted by Koto

Oh, my friend makes me a final question...

What happens if you play Two-Headed OVER the Mommy? In our example, will get 60 levels or the infamous 50? Thanks

See ya

It doesn't make any difference how many different ways you ask me, the order the cards are played in does not matter.

[Koto]

Originally Posted by Andrew Hackard

It doesn't make any difference how many different ways you ask me, the order the cards are played in does not matter.

I don't talk about order. I talk about playin' the card in the Mommy, not in the original monster...

See ya

[breakfast2588]

The Mommy and the Baby are gonna be the same type of creature no matter how you look at it. So once all the stuff that decides what the Baby is has been factored in, then the Mommy becomes that plus ten.

It's essentially Mate +10.