Can I help a monster that doesn't need it?

[Green Monkey of Doom]

This question was raised when my cousin asserted that, being a Dark (whatever) he could throw a monster enhancer or potion on the side of a monster that was already winning and then gain an extra level for helping the monster win. I don't think you can "help" a monster to win if it's already winning. Tell me I'm right so I can slap him down.

[MunchkinMan]

Of course you can play cards and use abilities to aid Monsters to make them even worse, even if they're already beating the players. Nothing in the rules prevents this, and well, Monsters sometimes are pretty bad.

[YoungLink18]

You make a point with the gaining a level though... If the monster is already winning... Than I would think that they don't gain a level. It would be like an Elf helping someone to gain a level.. Even if the player is already able to defeat it... I say no to the "Dark" whatever gainig a level... But that's me...

[Green Monkey of Doom]

Originally Posted by MunchkinMan

Of course you can play cards and use abilities to aid Monsters to make them even worse, even if they're already beating the players. Nothing in the rules prevents this, and well, Monsters sometimes are pretty bad.

So, if I'm a 2 and the Plutonium Dragon is stomping me something good, and my cousin the Dark Gnome tosses some pretty balloons into mix he gets a level? Can he do that even after I've said, "Ok, I'm running away"?

[mib2932]

Originally Posted by Green Monkey of Doom

Can he do that even after I've said, "Ok, I'm running away"?

I would say no to that - if you've waited the 2.6 seconds, and you say you're running away, the combat is over. He has to throw it in during the 2.6 second wait.

[PK]

Yeah, the best way to avoid arguments about, "I would've played that before you ran away, but you didn't give me a chance," is to (in combat) ask, "Anyone throwing anything else? <3-second pause> Okay, I've got nothing, so I'm running away."

[YoungLink18]

Originally Posted by mib2932

I would say no to that - if you've waited the 2.6 seconds, and you say you're running away, the combat is over. He has to throw it in during the 2.6 second wait.

Very true, but his real question is whether his friend who is a "Dark" whatever gets a level for playing that card to help the monster who doesn't need help to beat him.... refer to my last post... it makes more sense lol

[mib2932]

Originally Posted by YoungLink18

Very true, but his real question is whether his friend who is a "Dark" whatever gets a level for playing that card to help the monster who doesn't need help to beat him.... refer to my last post... it makes more sense lol

MunchkinMan already said that he can play the card to help the monster if he wants. If he plays the card, then he gets the level. I didn't think that part of your post was in question anymore, so I answered the other part, hence my quote.

[Green Monkey of Doom]

Originally Posted by mib2932

I would say no to that - if you've waited the 2.6 seconds, and you say you're running away, the combat is over. He has to throw it in during the 2.6 second wait.

Ok, thanks, but if I recall the rules say one must wait 2.6 seconds to declare victory, not defeat.

BTW: I yield to MunchkinMan's expertise on the level gaining, but I still think that is grossly game-unbalancing.

[Andrew Hackard]

Originally Posted by Green Monkey of Doom

Ok, thanks, but if I recall the rules say one must wait 2.6 seconds to declare victory, not defeat.

The intent of that rule, stripped of the "2.6 seconds" detail, is that combat isn't over, win or lose, until everyone agrees that it's over -- but, additionally, that one player can't hold everything up by dithering over whether he wants to play a card or not. (Unless that one player is the one fighting the monster. It's not a perfect world.)