Possible?

Glamourweaver · 03-05-2005, 04:28 AM

Allright, hypothetically, is it possible for an Angel to swear loyalty to a Demon Prince, continue to be an Angel & work as a double-agent for Hell provided he doesn't actually commit any Dissonant Acts? Would they act of knowingly betraying Heaven as a whole cause him to Fall? Or can this Angel keep his bond to the Symphony, remain "Divine", & provide a steady flow of intelligence to his Prince?

Obviously this Angel would need to watch what he says in the presence of any Seraphim or while in Heaven...

milliken · 03-05-2005, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Glamourweaver

Allright, hypothetically, is it possible for an Angel to swear loyalty to a Demon Prince, continue to be an Angel & work as a double-agent for Hell provided he doesn't actually commit any Dissonant Acts? Would they act of knowingly betraying Heaven as a whole cause him to Fall? Or can this Angel keep his bond to the Symphony, remain "Divine", & provide a steady flow of intelligence to his Prince?

I would say that any angel who is knowingly betraying Heaven would become very dissonant at best, and I'd probably rule this as counting as "jumping" -- i.e. deliberately choosing the other side automatically makes you a demon. You've made the choice, you should live with it.... After all, that's basically what the original angels did, who Fell.

---Walter

Glamourweaver · 03-05-2005, 08:28 AM

Right, thanks. I had forgotten about Jumping. I just realized that the rules for Falling being based on Dissonance, which in turn are based on specific acts that don't (save for Malakim & certain Superiors) include loyalty to Heaven's side in the War.... but yeah, I had forgotten about Jumping.

banditangel · 03-05-2005, 10:26 PM

There's nothing in the letter of the rules that prohibits this (and I actually have a character concept based along these lines), but it's quite obviously a violation of the spirit. Technically, though, an angel can go about murdering people and actively collaborating with demons of fate, and unless they're a Mercurian or a servitor of Yves, they wouln't show so much as a note of dissonance. I'd have qualms with this oversight, but it offers some interesting possibilities :)

tylrlsaa · 03-07-2005, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by banditangel

There's nothing in the letter of the rules that prohibits this (and I actually have a character concept based along these lines), but it's quite obviously a violation of the spirit. Technically, though, an angel can go about murdering people and actively collaborating with demons of fate, and unless they're a Mercurian or a servitor of Yves, they wouln't show so much as a note of dissonance. I'd have qualms with this oversight, but it offers some interesting possibilities :)

Literally, a violation of the spirit. Also, I think Dominic would have a strong objection to an angel swearing into the service of a Demon Prince.

Glamourweaver · 03-07-2005, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by tylrlsaa

Literally, a violation of the spirit. Also, I think Dominic would have a strong objection to an angel swearing into the service of a Demon Prince.

Note that I mentioned said Angel would be a Seraph-fearing double-agent. Ideally the Inqusition would have no idea...

03-05-2005, 04:28 AM	#1
Glamourweaver Join Date: Feb 2005	Possible? Allright, hypothetically, is it possible for an Angel to swear loyalty to a Demon Prince, continue to be an Angel & work as a double-agent for Hell provided he doesn't actually commit any Dissonant Acts? Would they act of knowingly betraying Heaven as a whole cause him to Fall? Or can this Angel keep his bond to the Symphony, remain "Divine", & provide a steady flow of intelligence to his Prince? Obviously this Angel would need to watch what he says in the presence of any Seraphim or while in Heaven...

03-05-2005, 08:28 AM	#3
Glamourweaver Join Date: Feb 2005	Re: Possible? Right, thanks. I had forgotten about Jumping. I just realized that the rules for Falling being based on Dissonance, which in turn are based on specific acts that don't (save for Malakim & certain Superiors) include loyalty to Heaven's side in the War.... but yeah, I had forgotten about Jumping.

03-05-2005, 10:26 PM	#4
banditangel Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Portland, OR	Re: Possible? There's nothing in the letter of the rules that prohibits this (and I actually have a character concept based along these lines), but it's quite obviously a violation of the spirit. Technically, though, an angel can go about murdering people and actively collaborating with demons of fate, and unless they're a Mercurian or a servitor of Yves, they wouln't show so much as a note of dissonance. I'd have qualms with this oversight, but it offers some interesting possibilities :)