Absurdly high skill levels

[Rupert]

Originally Posted by sjmdw45

This rule is unsatisfactory to me because it 1.) means that low ROF weapons waste *more* shots, proportionately, on traversal (which is unrealistic), and more importantly, 2.) ignores cumulative Recoil.

Neither is the case. RoF 16+ weapons lose 2 shots per hex, not one, and each target after the first has an extra +1 of recoil (cumulative). This might well be coarser than you like, but that's a different issue from GURPS not addressing it at all.

[sjmdw45]

Originally Posted by Rupert

Neither is the case. RoF 16+ weapons lose 2 shots per hex, not one, and each target after the first has an extra +1 of recoil (cumulative). This might well more coarser than you like, but that's a different issue from GURPS not addressing it at all.

Hmmm. [re-reads Spraying Fire] You're right. I hadn't noticed the +1 recoil. Good catch.

-Max

[Witchking]

Originally Posted by Kromm

Honestly, I think that most readers can guess at what Erotic Art does. Those who cannot . . . are probably people who wouldn't appreciate having it spelled out for them. It suffices to say that it isn't the "have sex" skill.

IIRC the "have sex" skill is a M/H...Archaeology

[pawsplay]

Originally Posted by Kromm

Honestly, I think that most readers can guess at what Erotic Art does. Those who cannot . . . are probably people who wouldn't appreciate having it spelled out for them. It suffices to say that it isn't the "have sex" skill.

Well, I'm just not getting it. It's "erotic," it helps to be flexible, but according to you, it is not per se an improvement on sex technique. I'm guessing it's something impressive that is not especially useful. Perhaps there are an Erotic Sport skill and a practical Erotic skill that are used in different contexts.

[sir_pudding]

Originally Posted by pawsplay

Well, I'm just not getting it. It's "erotic," it helps to be flexible, but according to you, it is not per se an improvement on sex technique.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tantra#Sexual_rites

[pawsplay]

Originally Posted by sir_pudding

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tantra#Sexual_rites

I am quite familiar with Tantra. However, that is a religious rite, and being double-jointed does not help.

[sir_pudding]

Originally Posted by pawsplay

I am quite familiar with Tantra. However, that is a religious rite, and being double-jointed does not help.

It can't hurt. Double-jointed should help with yoga too, I'd imagine.

I'm having trouble discussing this without being too explicit for these boards but I'll try. Firstly, Erotic Art is "advanced sexual technique", that would imply it's not the sort of sexual performance that most people are familiar with. Kromm confirms this by saying it's not the "have sex skill". It definitely can't be required for the basic biological act of copulation otherwise there would be no sexual reproduction in animals at all. It can't even be the skill of ordinary everyday sexual performance by people who are trying to please their partners, because ordinary people do stuff they see in films, or read in books, or just imagine everyday without spending the hundreds of hours of study that Erotic Art would require.

It represents special sexual techniques, and is obviously cultural and setting specific. It's a skill that Mysteries of the Trade could be based on for Tantric Magic. It's a skill that the temple harlot of Ishtar might practice when she tames Edikudu out of the wilderness. It's not the skill of following the advice in Cosmo, or doing "that 'move' that Joe at work told you about".

Of course, IMO, YMMV. ect.

[vicky_molokh]

Originally Posted by sir_pudding

It can't hurt. Double-jointed should help with yoga too, I'd imagine.

I'm having trouble discussing this without being too explicit for these boards but I'll try. Firstly, Erotic Art is "advanced sexual technique", that would imply it's not the sort of sexual performance that most people are familiar with. Kromm confirms this by saying it's not the "have sex skill". It definitely can't be required for the basic biological act of copulation otherwise there would be no sexual reproduction in animals at all. It can't even be the skill of ordinary everyday sexual performance by people who are trying to please their partners, because ordinary people do stuff they see in films, or read in books, or just imagine everyday without spending the hundreds of hours of study that Erotic Art would require.

It represents special sexual techniques, and is obviously cultural and setting specific. It's a skill that Mysteries of the Trade could be based on for Tantric Magic. It's a skill that the temple harlot of Ishtar might practice when she tames Edikudu out of the wilderness. It's not the skill of following the advice in Cosmo, or doing "that 'move' that Joe at work told you about".

Of course, IMO, YMMV. ect.

Though what stands for 'basic' knowledge, then?

[sir_pudding]

Originally Posted by Molokh

Though what stands for 'basic' knowledge, then?

Well, extremely basic knowledge (of the TAB A into SLOT B sort), probably shouldn't require a roll at all. It's basically biology and instinct, isn't it?

For Cosmo/Maxim level sexual technique, I'd say an attribute roll (DX, IQ, or HT all make sense) would suffice if you are running a R or X rated game. Maybe a Hobby skill for slighty racy stuff (or a Professional skill for prostitutes and Performance for porn actors).

[NineDaysDead]

Originally Posted by sir_pudding

It can't even be the skill of ordinary everyday sexual performance by people who are trying to please their partners, because ordinary people do stuff they see in films, or read in books, or just imagine everyday without spending the hundreds of hours of study that Erotic Art would require.

Why not? Erotic Art has a default (DX-5), which is what you get from watching films, reading books or just imagining everyday without spending the hundreds of hours of study.

Someone whose background is “Raised by monks to be ultimate killing machine”, doesn’t get that default, because he never even saw a woman till the monks sent him out in to the world to kill things and take their stuff.