GURPS Dragons

[Ragabash Moon]

Originally Posted by Rupert

I have, but not when it's worded the way Weak Bite is: "Calculate biting damage normally, then apply an extra -2 per die". If it said "to each die" it would be a different matter.

Yeah, I can see where that might be confusing. To reverse your example, Karate skill adds +1 or +2 per die. So if your strength gives you 1d damage, that's +2 total, if your strength gives you 4d, then that's +8 damage. SO, I can see where confusion could occur that the "per die" thing might be thought to be a universal thing when it's not.

[Ragabash Moon]

Originally Posted by Phoenix_Dragon

I based the largest dragons I typically would use in a campaign off a T-Rex, myself. About 40 feet total length, about 10,000 pounds, about ST 40. And those are the big, ancient dragons. It's easy enough to modify the size/strength/mass of the templates in Dragons. (And actually, I should note that my prefered size for dragons actually ranges from roughly the size of a human or wolf, up through a large horse)

And really, I think even for a "gygaxian" dragon, ST 40 is more than sufficient. As I said before, D&D STR and GURPS ST are close enough that you can make pretty much direct comparisons. I mean in D&D the human maximum (before level increases) is 18, in GURPS it's 20. Close enough. So, your gygaxian dragons pretty much can convert right over, and show me D&D stats (any edition!) for even a GOD(DESS) dragon with STR more than about 75-100. IIRC Tiamat is the strongest dragon in D&D, and she's only like 60-70 (IDHMBWM).

[Phoenix_Dragon]

Originally Posted by Ragabash Moon

And really, I think even for a "gygaxian" dragon, ST 40 is more than sufficient. As I said before, D&D STR and GURPS ST are close enough that you can make pretty much direct comparisons. I mean in D&D the human maximum (before level increases) is 18, in GURPS it's 20. Close enough. So, your gygaxian dragons pretty much can convert right over, and show me D&D stats (any edition!) for even a GOD(DESS) dragon with STR more than about 75-100. IIRC Tiamat is the strongest dragon in D&D, and she's only like 60-70 (IDHMBWM).

Ehh, if we're dealing with some huge dragon, I'd definately give them more ST, just because it needs to keep in scale with other critters. Fortunately, it seems with normally proportioned dragons (Okay, that's subjective, normally-proportioned as I imagine and draw them), "natural" dragons would have about ST1 per foot of length (Measured from the tip of the tail to tip of the snout). Dependant on bulk, of course.

[demonsbane]

Originally Posted by Phoenix_Dragon

However, considering the large number of varieties and interpretations, I think GURPS Dragons did the most sensible thing by keeping with GURPS tradition; go with a realistic base, and let the players add or subtract what they need for their exact tastes.

That is the point. I think I agree with you.