How to model SUPER strong and fast characters?

[TGLS]

If you have a really over the top DX, would it be better to make a bajillion Rapid Strikes or one really deceptive attack?

[ericthered]

Originally Posted by TGLS

If you have a really over the top DX, would it be better to make a bajillion Rapid Strikes or one really deceptive attack?

Or rather, at what point is it better to fish for criticals rather than making the deceptive attack?


That's an interesting question, from a mathematical perspective.

[WingedKagouti]

Originally Posted by TGLS

If you have a really over the top DX, would it be better to make a bajillion Rapid Strikes or one really deceptive attack?

Without using optional rules to extend the critical hit target:

If you have effective skill 16, your chance to crit is 9.3%. So if you can make 10 attacks with effective skill 16 (ie. skill 70 without TBaM/WM or 43 with), you have ~36.68% chance to not land a critical hit ie. ~63.32% chance to land at least one critical hit. 20 attacks @ skill 16 (ie. skill 130 or 73) push it to ~85.8% chance to crit at least once.

If the opponent has effective Parry 10 against a single attack, that's a 50% chance they foil the attack.

[whswhs]

Originally Posted by Gold & Appel Inc

IDHMBWM, but IIRC there's a +25% Enhancement in 4e Supers that lets you totally ignore Rule of 20 on some or all of your over-20 DX if you want.

There is. A character like Clark Savage, Jr. might conceivably have nearly every skill in the book at from 16 (for Hard) to 18 (for Easy): he could play chess like a master, fly like a test pilot, and solve differential equations like a skilled mathematician. But I don't think it's all that plausible to have characters whose default skill levels are much above 20. I mean, without any specific training, they're equal to the world's greatest practitioners of every art, science, and profession?

Bill Stoddard

[David Johnston2]

Originally Posted by LisMorozniy

So, I started a campaign in setting of Hunter X Hunter and currently I have some problems modelling high ST and DX characters. In particular 50-500 range. Especially high DX stats creates problem with retreat, rapid strike, rule of 20 and some other rules.

Uh-hunh. And what's the reason why you want DX to be that high?

[johndallman]

Originally Posted by LisMorozniy

. . . I have some problems modelling high ST and DX characters. In particular 50-500 range. Especially high DX stats creates problem with retreat, rapid strike, rule of 20 and some other rules.

ST works differently to the other three attributes. It's explicitly open-ended, because large creatures have very high ST, and it's rarely rolled against. It is also measurable in real-world terms.

DX, IQ and HT are less readily measured in real-world terms, and values in the 20-30 range are about as high as the game system copes with. DX 500 doesn't make all that much sense. Why do you feel you need numbers that high? "To be on the same scale as ST" isn't really a good reason.

[LisMorozniy]

Originally Posted by johndallman

ST works differently to the other three attributes. It's explicitly open-ended, because large creatures have very high ST, and it's rarely rolled against. It is also measurable in real-world terms.

DX, IQ and HT are less readily measured in real-world terms, and values in the 20-30 range are about as high as the game system copes with. DX 500 doesn't make all that much sense. Why do you feel you need numbers that high? "To be on the same scale as ST" isn't really a good reason.

The reason is that most of important characters in this universe have achieved reaction, fight and movement speed greater than mach 1. Top 10 characters have speeds in the range of mach 5-500(it's reaaaly incosistent and argueable so I just choose lower bound of mach 5-10). But still it's more than thousand Basic Speed. So I am looking for the way to model this, but GURPS don't seem to being really good at this values. This is not like I want it or not for any particular reason, I just need to match the source.

[TerryW]

You can model high speeds and reaction times with the right advantages. It's easier to do it that way than the brute-force method of obscenely high attributes. GURPS Powers might help you with that.

Alternatively, you can check out something like Mutants & Masterminds, an RPG built with Superman-level characters in mind. You might find it a better fit for what you're trying to do.

[Fred Brackin]

Originally Posted by LisMorozniy

The reason is that most of important characters in this universe have achieved reaction, fight and movement speed greater than mach 1. T.

Raw attributes aren't the way to do this. You need a relatively complex mix of Advantages.

Trying to remember what i saw on Hunter X Hunter the first special Advantage gained is probably Enhanced Time Sense. The possessor of this can track lightning fast moves and always acts before "normal" humans.

Extra attacks probably with the Multi-Strike Enhancement lets users attack with superhuman speed.

Altered Time Rate allows for moving and attacking at superhuman speed and generally allows complex multi-part actions to occur in lightning speed.

For actual movement at extremely high speeds you'll want Enhanced Move doubling speed with each level probably with Enhancements allowing instananeous acceleration and maneuvering at max speed.

You'll need other Powers for damage doing and durability.

I know this all seems very complex but your source material is very complex and I know of no other supers system that would handle things more easily.

[LisMorozniy]

Originally Posted by Fred Brackin

Raw attributes aren't the way to do this. You need a relatively complex mix of Advantages.

Trying to remember what i saw on Hunter X Hunter the first special Advantage gained is probably Enhanced Time Sense. The possessor of this can track lightning fast moves and always acts before "normal" humans.

Extra attacks probably with the Multi-Strike Enhancement lets users attack with superhuman speed.

Altered Time Rate allows for moving and attacking at superhuman speed and generally allows complex multi-part actions to occur in lightning speed.

For actual movement at extremely high speeds you'll want Enhanced Move doubling speed with each level probably with Enhancements allowing instananeous acceleration and maneuvering at max speed.

You'll need other Powers for damage doing and durability.

I know this all seems very complex but your source material is very complex and I know of no other supers system that would handle things more easily.

Now when I thinked of that a lot, it seems like some mix of Dexterity, Altered Time Rate, Basic Speed(to compensate for lack of high HT, because I think HT should be capped at about 25), Enhanced Move and Super-Jump will do a great job.