Fanaticism and Sense of Duty

[Fred Brackin]

Originally Posted by Kromm

I think he's a great example of Fanaticism!

No, just no. Captain America does not have any sort of "My County Right or Wrong!" Disad.

When his country (usually in the form of its' government) is wrong he stands for what's right. Besides many, many instances in the comics the whole Civil War movie illustrates this.

[whswhs]

It seems to me that, for example, a Roman Catholic with Fanaticism might censor dissenting religious views within the church, forcibly interrogate people suspected of holding them, and even put heretics to death. But a Roman Catholic with Sense of Duty (Catholics) would want to preserve the lives of everyone within the church, though they might preach what they thought was the correct doctrine to the people whose lives they saved.

[Þorkell]

Originally Posted by Fred Brackin

No, just no. Captain America does not have any sort of "My County Right or Wrong!" Disad.

When his country (usually in the form of its' government) is wrong he stands for what's right. Besides many, many instances in the comics the whole Civil War movie illustrates this.

And that isn't Fanaticism (Liberty) or something similar?

[Kromm]

Originally Posted by Þorkell

And that isn't Fanaticism (Liberty) or something similar?

It totally is. Nothing says Fanaticism can't be to some incredibly fine-tuned, nuanced view of what's "right." It needn't be to some broad-strokes nation-state or -ism. Indeed, the mentally unstable are wonderfully good at developing worldviews that are unassailable by virtue of a kind of fluidity that lets them adapt in the face of evidence.

[Fred Brackin]

Originally Posted by Þorkell

And that isn't Fanaticism (Liberty) or something similar?

Basic says that the Disadvantaged one is fanatic about a "country, organisation, philosophy or religion and puts it ahead of _everything_ else". If I were the GM I would first judge that "Liberty" is broader (and more nebulous) than any of those things and second that Captain America doesn't put it ahead of _everything_ else.

I'm seeing an open ended conflict between Americans and non-Americans about whether or not any American can be a patriot without sufferring from a mental illness and no resolition in sight. Perhaps the mods will consider locking this thread.

[Tinman]

Originally Posted by Fred Brackin

No, just no. Captain America does not have any sort of "My County Right or Wrong!" Disad.

When his country (usually in the form of its' government) is wrong he stands for what's right. Besides many, many instances in the comics the whole Civil War movie illustrates this.

A lot depends on how you view Cap's ideology:
If it's fanaticism of the nation (which I don't think it is) then you can say "My County Right or Wrong!"
However, if (like me) you view it as fanaticism of the America's Founding Ideology, then if your countries leaders are doing 'bad things' that are not in line with the ideology, you'd be 'forced' to call them out.

Captain America stands for (as they said of Superman) Truth, Justice & the American Way.