Octopus vs starting human in HTH

[hcobb]

Standard ITL 82 octopus vs a starting human in HTH

The human is ST 9, DX 12(10), IQ 9, Dagger Expertise, Very Fine Dagger, leather armor.

The Octopus does 1.4 points a turn on average and wins the fight in six turns.

The human does four points of damage a turn on average and wins the fight in five turns.

[phiwum]

Originally Posted by hcobb

Standard ITL 82 octopus vs a starting human in HTH

The human is ST 9, DX 12(10), IQ 9, Dagger Expertise, Very Fine Dagger, leather armor.

The Octopus does 1.4 points a turn on average and wins the fight in six turns.

The human does four points of damage a turn on average and wins the fight in five turns.

Surely, most PCs don't have dagger expertise and a very fine dagger when they start out. Your point is that some starting characters can do very well against octopodes in HTH, I guess. The claim that was made in the other thread was surely about the kind of PC we typically see, not a specific PC made for the purpose of kicking a little butt in HTH.

I'm not quite sure how you calculated the average damage for a turn by the PC. His base damage with a dagger is d6, +1 for HTH, +1 for expertise and +2 for very fine dagger, so on average 7.5. Multiply by 50% chance to hit and I get 3.75 hits. Close to four, of course, but not quite four.

[TippetsTX]

The way I see it, an octopus engaged in HTH can simultaneously pin, strangle and stab a humanoid figure. The outcome should be a forgone conclusion.

[hcobb]

Originally Posted by TippetsTX

The way I see it, an octopus engaged in HTH can simultaneously pin, strangle and stab a humanoid figure. The outcome should be a forgone conclusion.

So go with an Unarmed Combat III starting human and pin the octopus.

[TippetsTX]

Originally Posted by hcobb

So go with an Unarmed Combat III starting human and pin the octopus.

Yeah, good luck with that.

https://youtu.be/lRrkaLTVHrs
Now picture one three times larger with 4 times the ST of a human.

[Senturian]

[QUOTE=TippetsTX;2346742]Yeah, good luck with that.


Final Jeopardy Round:
I'll take Ring of Shock Shield till death, Alex.

[hcobb]

Originally Posted by phiwum

I'm not quite sure how you calculated the average damage for a turn by the PC. His base damage with a dagger is d6, +1 for HTH, +1 for expertise and +2 for very fine dagger, so on average 7.5. Multiply by 50% chance to hit and I get 3.75 hits. Close to four, of course, but not quite four.

+4 DX in HTH
ST 9 fist is 1d-3, dagger in HTH is +3, +2 for very fine, +1 for expertise, -2 damage for tough skin.

[phiwum]

Originally Posted by hcobb

+4 DX in HTH
ST 9 fist is 1d-3, dagger in HTH is +3, +2 for very fine, +1 for expertise, -2 damage for tough skin.

Agh, I plumb forgot the +4. I also forgot the tough skin.

Thanks.

[hcobb]

Once you pin the octopus then hitting her is a free action, right?

[Chris Rice]

A human has 2 arms and an Octopus has 8. I doubt the rules take this into account but really a human would have little chance against a man sized octopus in HTH.