Melee/Wizard newbie question

[hcobb]

The game needs a Summon Common Weapon spell to help out Illusion of sword.

[Skarg]

Summon Myrmidon comes with a weapon, so perhaps one could research Summon Weapon?

[Misplaced Buckeye]

Great replies. The game should be arriving soon and this gives me some grat ideas for demos. Thanks all

[Shadekeep]

Originally Posted by Shostak

I'd be inclined to say the illusionary archer could loose a separate illusion of an arrow, yes.

Hmm, or give a real archer illusory arrows! Free ammo, as long as the target believes they are real. Kind of ST expensive for a cheap item, but perhaps useful deep in the quest when the archer has run out of real arrows.

[DarkPumpkin]

Originally Posted by Shadekeep

Hmm, or give a real archer illusory arrows! Free ammo, as long as the target believes they are real. Kind of ST expensive for a cheap item, but perhaps useful deep in the quest when the archer has run out of real arrows.

What if the archer shoots an unaware target with an illusory arrow? He had no idea it was coming, so how could he believe in it? This could be the case even in melee, not only for surprise attacks.

[Shostak]

Originally Posted by Shadekeep

Hmm, or give a real archer illusory arrows! Free ammo, as long as the target believes they are real. Kind of ST expensive for a cheap item, but perhaps useful deep in the quest when the archer has run out of real arrows.

I think that agrees with RAW, but my understanding is that an archer might be loathe to dry-shoot their bow.

[Shostak]

Originally Posted by DarkPumpkin

What if the archer shoots an unaware target with an illusory arrow? He had no idea it was coming, so how could he believe in it? This could be the case even in melee, not only for surprise attacks.

I don't recall the rules saying anything about an illusion not being able to attack from the rear or anything, which suggests that knowing the illusion is there isn't a factor. Illusions are an interesting feature to TFT, but come with lots of questions.

[Steve Plambeck]

Even if it's not in LITL (no, I haven't actually checked) wasn't it in writing somewhere at one time, perhaps in Advanced Wizard, that images and illusions could not have detachable parts, and that illusions of inanimate objects was prohibited to avoid all the funky, gamey circumstances that could arise?

[Chris Rice]

Originally Posted by Steve Plambeck

Even if it's not in LITL (no, I haven't actually checked) wasn't it in writing somewhere at one time, perhaps in Advanced Wizard, that images and illusions could not have detachable parts, and that illusions of inanimate objects was prohibited to avoid all the funky, gamey circumstances that could arise?

Wizard p17. The bottom paragraph makes it quite clear that an image or illusion cannot divide in two.

[Shostak]

So, at your tables, how would you folks rule on an illusion of Magic Rainstorm? Is it unlawful because of how the water its broken into droplets? Or is the curtain of rain considered a single thing, but it can't leave water behind if it moves, which could be a bit of a giveaway? This came up once in my experience, and the GM kindly let the illusion stand to defeat a fire elemental. If he hadn't, it would have been a total party kill, so that could have colored his judgement.