Fast Draw (Axe)

Rhino · 10-30-2019, 02:13 PM

Does anyone allow this? Not included in the list of specialties, but if you can fast draw a scroll or potion, perhaps it should be.

martinl · 10-30-2019, 03:20 PM

We allow fast draw for basically anything that can be readied in one turn, and Kromm hasn't kicked down the door and cursed us.

You could assuage your guilt by requiring a special harness etc.

Dalin · 10-30-2019, 03:36 PM

I would definitely allow that.

There is support for this in the larger GURPS canon, too. The GURPS Basic Set explicitly allows GMs to add other variations: "The GM may add Fast-Draw skills for other weapons (or even tools) that one could reasonably draw quickly" (B195).

For DFRPG, I would rewrite this to say, "The GM should add Fast-Draw skills for other weapons that it would be fun to draw quickly." With Dungeon Fantasy, I definitely don't get hung up on things being "reasonable." I figure that if a Barbarian needs something quickly, they'll figure out how to manage it.

Gnomasz · 10-31-2019, 04:58 AM

I usually do allow this (and ask my GM for this, as a player), but I do sometimes have doubts, because a fine, balanced dwarven axe is a bargain compared to a fine, balanced broadsword. And that's even before I start to consider if an axe counts as a metal weapon and could be meteoric silver-coated. The possibility of being fast-drawn could give swords… an edge.

Anders · 10-31-2019, 01:27 PM

Shadiversity made a video about an axe attachment that made it easy to fast-draw the axe. I would definitely allow a special harness for this purpose.

Balor Patch · 11-01-2019, 12:47 AM

I don't like it simply for balance reasons.

<cynical><oversimplified>
An axe costs $900 and gives reach 1, +1 to hit, and either 2d6+6 or 3d6+8 cutting (because DF knights).

A sword costs $650, reach 2, +0 to hit, two less damage, but can be fast-drawn. It can also do 1d+3 or 1d+5 impale, for what that's worth.

That extra reach is nice but it's giving up a lot, and letting the axe be fast-drawn makes it worse.
</oversimplified></cynical>

10-30-2019, 02:13 PM	#1
Rhino Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: San Rafael, CA	Fast Draw (Axe) Does anyone allow this? Not included in the list of specialties, but if you can fast draw a scroll or potion, perhaps it should be.

10-30-2019, 03:20 PM	#2
martinl Join Date: Jan 2006	Re: Fast Draw (Axe) We allow fast draw for basically anything that can be readied in one turn, and Kromm hasn't kicked down the door and cursed us. You could assuage your guilt by requiring a special harness etc.

10-30-2019, 03:36 PM	#3
Dalin Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Saint Paul, MN	Re: Fast Draw (Axe) I would definitely allow that. There is support for this in the larger GURPS canon, too. The *GURPS Basic Set* explicitly allows GMs to add other variations: "The GM may add Fast-Draw skills for other weapons (or even tools) that one could reasonably draw quickly" (*B195*). For DFRPG, I would rewrite this to say, "The GM should add Fast-Draw skills for other weapons that it would be fun to draw quickly." With Dungeon Fantasy, I definitely don't get hung up on things being "reasonable." I figure that if a Barbarian needs something quickly, they'll figure out how to manage it.

10-31-2019, 04:58 AM	#4
Gnomasz Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Poland	Re: Fast Draw (Axe) I usually do allow this (and ask my GM for this, as a player), but I do sometimes have doubts, because a fine, balanced dwarven axe is a bargain compared to a fine, balanced broadsword. And that's even before I start to consider if an axe counts as a metal weapon and could be meteoric silver-coated. The possibility of being fast-drawn could give swords… an edge. __________________ My irregular blog: d8 hit location table

10-31-2019, 01:27 PM	#5
Anders Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Gothenburg, Sweden	Re: Fast Draw (Axe) Shadiversity made a video about an axe attachment that made it easy to fast-draw the axe. I would definitely allow a special harness for this purpose. __________________ “When you arise in the morning think of what a privilege it is to be alive, to think, to enjoy, to love ...” Marcus Aurelius Author of Winged Folk. The GURPS Discord. Drop by and say hi!

11-01-2019, 12:47 AM	#6
Balor Patch Join Date: Apr 2013	Re: Fast Draw (Axe) I don't like it simply for balance reasons. <cynical><oversimplified> An axe costs $900 and gives reach 1, +1 to hit, and either 2d6+6 or 3d6+8 cutting (because DF knights). A sword costs $650, reach 2, +0 to hit, two less damage, but can be fast-drawn. It can also do 1d+3 or 1d+5 impale, for what that's worth. That extra reach is nice but it's giving up a lot, and letting the axe be fast-drawn makes it worse. </oversimplified></cynical>