Truthful Variants

[David Johnston2]

Suppose you have a limitation that make you incapable of repeating a lie three times. Call it a divine curse.

Or suppose you can be as deceptive as you want but can never make a declarative statement which you believe to be false. You are simply physically incapable of telling a direct falsehood, and therefore never say anything directly except under dire coercion.

How do these disadvantages compare to Truthful?

[NineDaysDead]

Originally Posted by David Johnston2

Suppose you have a limitation that make you incapable of repeating a lie three times. Call it a divine curse.

Or suppose you can be as deceptive as you want but can never make a declarative statement which you believe to be false. You are simply physically incapable of telling a direct falsehood, and therefore never say anything directly except under dire coercion.

How do these disadvantages compare to Truthful?

Having no self control roll is worth 2.5 times the value* so Truthfulness (N/A) is -12 points.

Then put a limitation on it "Can Lie by Omission, -??%" or "Can Lie the first two times, -??%"

*Shows up in GURPS Zombies page 60. And maybe elsewhere, but I don't recall right now.

[Black Leviathan]

Originally Posted by David Johnston2

How do these disadvantages compare to Truthful?

Thruthfulness is such an inexpensive disadvantage that I feel slicing it's pie would likely just make it a quirk. It seems severe but honestly being able to tell a lie three times is still a lot of lying in the context of a Role Playing game. A curse like not being able to lie to someone who's higher status to you, or not being able to lie to someone you know is a magic user would be more restrictive, maybe worth 2-3 points?

[naloth]

Originally Posted by David Johnston2

Suppose you have a limitation that make you incapable of repeating a lie three times. Call it a divine curse.

That reminds me if the fairy issue of repeating things multiple times... but they can't lie. Anyway, that would be annoying to track especially if they can do variations or it resets after a while. Perhaps a quirk.

Or suppose you can be as deceptive as you want but can never make a declarative statement which you believe to be false. You are simply physically incapable of telling a direct falsehood, and therefore never say anything directly except under dire coercion.

Perhaps as a Vow? There can be consequences for disregarding a vow beyond denying XP. You could model it as a Phobia that causes a mental breakdown if you are coerced - perhaps worth -5 points.

[Refplace]

For Fae in Chalice World I left Truthfulness intact but added it to the power modifier for their powers. If they lie they lose powers.

[Pursuivant]

Originally Posted by Refplace

For Fae in Chalice World I left Truthfulness intact but added it to the power modifier for their powers. If they lie they lose powers.

Essentially, a variation of the Pact limitation.

[Refplace]

Originally Posted by Pursuivant

Essentially, a variation of the Pact limitation.

Yep, not saying its totally original but I thought it might be relevant to the thread.

[Pursuivant]

Originally Posted by David Johnston2

Suppose you have a limitation that make you incapable of repeating a lie three times. Call it a divine curse.

The value of this disad depends on what happens after your third strike.

Originally Posted by David Johnston2

Or suppose you can be as deceptive as you want but can never make a declarative statement which you believe to be false. You are simply physically incapable of telling a direct falsehood, and therefore never say anything directly except under dire coercion.

I'd call this a Quirk, "Truthful when coerced." Mechanically, you might need to make IQ or skill rolls (e.g., vs. Acting, Fast-Talk, or Law) to get away with half-truths and selective omissions in other situatations.

[David Johnston2]

Originally Posted by Pursuivant

The value of this disad depends on what happens after your third strike.
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Nothing. You are just physically incapable of repeating the lie a third time.

[evileeyore]

Originally Posted by David Johnston2

Nothing. You are just physically incapable of repeating the lie a third time.

If this sort of disadvantage is known of ("no Fay can repeat a lie three times") then I say it's a perfectly fine standard cost variant of Truthful.