Using The Magic Items Volumes With 4e

[David Johnston2]

Originally Posted by scc

IOU is only a suggested setting, I can quite easily have DF adventurers find one, and later get into trouble from whoever ultimately brought it, and the suggested price is $10.

Suggested prices are just that. Suggestions. Switch settings and it's reasonable to switch costs. However, it's prime material for the kind of plot where a magic item seller is offering amazingly inexpensive magic items with hidden drawbacks.

[Dalillama]

Originally Posted by scc

IOU is only a suggested setting, I can quite easily have DF adventurers find one, and later get into trouble from whoever ultimately brought it, and the suggested price is $10.

The item is as unlikely to exist in DF as the pistol that shoots a minigun. Very few fantasy worlds contain specialists in group theory, non-Euclidean geometry, and complex analysis.

[Kax]

Originally Posted by Dalillama

The item is as unlikely to exist in DF as the pistol that shoots a minigun. Very few fantasy worlds contain specialists in group theory, non-Euclidean geometry, and complex analysis.

However: https://www.kleinbottle.com/, owned and made by Cliff Stoll who is all of those things and more. :D

And particular to this conversation: a Klein Stein

[scc]

Originally Posted by David Johnston2

Suggested prices are just that. Suggestions. Switch settings and it's reasonable to switch costs. However, it's prime material for the kind of plot where a magic item seller is offering amazingly inexpensive magic items with hidden drawbacks.

Well what do you think a good price for it is then?

Originally Posted by Dalillama

The item is as unlikely to exist in DF as the pistol that shoots a minigun. Very few fantasy worlds contain specialists in group theory, non-Euclidean geometry, and complex analysis.

Well assuming that they aren't Banestormed into DF, you just say they aren't actually Klein Bottles because that doesn't matter to the magic item (You of course will have to call it something else). Unless of course the development of magic doesn't lead to the discovery of Klein Bottles much earlier on and/or DF is actually set in some sort of post-apocalyptic world (Which would explain all the abandoned dungeons filled with treasure)

[David Johnston2]

Originally Posted by scc

Well what do you think a good price for it is then?

I don't even know what book it's in. I was just going by what was said about it here. But from what I just read it seems to be a potentially dangerous magic item whose useful traits are mostly frivolous. As a magic goods store operator I wouldn't offer more than a few hundred for it an not that much. It sounds like it has real potential to generate dis-satisfied customers.

[scc]

Originally Posted by David Johnston2

I don't even know what book it's in. I was just going by what was said about it here. But from what I just read it seems to be a potentially dangerous magic item whose useful traits are mostly frivolous. As a magic goods store operator I wouldn't offer more than a few hundred for it an not that much. It sounds like it has real potential to generate dis-satisfied customers.

It doesn't seem to be very dangerous, if someone drinks too much of the beer he "takes a wrong dimensional turn when he gets up to leave, and winds up in a dimension of the GM’s choice until he sobers up. At that point he’ll find himself in some mildly inconvenient or embarrassing location" and for that last bit you can't seem to cross property lines.

[Kax]

Originally Posted by David Johnston2

I don't even know what book it's in. I was just going by what was said about it here. But from what I just read it seems to be a potentially dangerous magic item whose useful traits are mostly frivolous. As a magic goods store operator I wouldn't offer more than a few hundred for it an not that much. It sounds like it has real potential to generate dis-satisfied customers.

MI3: 96.

'Potential danger' is limited: the result specifies GM's choice, which is always true no matter the method anyway, and that when sober you are in a 'mildly inconvenient' location.

Price listed is because it's entirely random, impermanent, and only works on the drinker. It also notes that it would be much more expensive otherwise.

[scc]

Originally Posted by Kax

MI3: 96.

'Potential danger' is limited: the result specifies GM's choice, which is always true no matter the method anyway, and that when sober you are in a 'mildly inconvenient' location.

Price listed is because it's entirely random, impermanent, and only works on the drinker. It also notes that it would be much more expensive otherwise.

Let me ask you this: Does the fact that this beer does what it does make it that much less desirable? Sure as a way of getting around this is a joke, but as a source of infinite free beer, well it's a source of infinite free beer.

[David Johnston2]

Originally Posted by scc

Let me ask you this: Does the fact that this beer does what it does make it that much less desirable? Sure as a way of getting around this is a joke, but as a source of infinite free beer, well it's a source of infinite free beer.

More like one free beer per ten hours per person. After that, you're looking at consequences.

[Fred Brackin]

Originally Posted by scc

Let me ask you this: Does the fact that this beer does what it does make it that much less desirable?

Yes. It is at least as undesirable as the calculation of (Value of beer- lost night in other dimension - taxi fare home) would make it. That makes it less desirable than a night's worth of regular beer and that isn't that much on a scale of magic items.