Combatives martial arts styles

[Lord Carnifex]

Luther's version of Old-Style Brazilian Juijutsu ought to work well... perhaps a more modern grappling/groundfighting style incorporating Juijutsu elements might look like:

Combative Juijutsu
Primary skills: Wrestling
Secondary skills: Judo, Brawling
Maneuvers: Arm lock, Choke Hold, Ground Fighting (Wrestling), Ground Fighting (Brawling), Head Lock, Leg Grapple.

[note:] I make wrestling the primary skill here, because the style emphasises going to the ground with your opponent (which I see as GURPS Wrestling skill) rather than throwing your opponent to the ground while you remain upright (which I see as being more the province of GURPS Judo Skill).

It's not a stand alone art... you'd probably want to train it in conjunction with Muay Thai, Kali (GURPS 3e Escrima), or Jun Fan (GURPS 3e Jeet Kune Do) or some form of upright military hand-to-hand.

The thing to remember is that while Gracie Juijutsu is a very effective, very efficient style for groundfighting, it does not particularily emphasise upright fighting or speedy resoultion. A juijutsu fighter will usually be looking to take an opponent to the ground and force him to submit through manuvering and endurance. In a modern battlefield or street-fighting situation, there's often not much opportunity for one-on-one fighting, and going to the ground is not always a good idea.

[Icelander]

Originally Posted by Toadkiller_Dog

You should require them to pay for this, unless the intention is that they cannot do normal parries but still do APs at the normal default.

The intention was indeed that normal parries were impossible and that Agressive Parries were made at the normal default.

[Icelander]

Here is one I expect that at least some posters here know from personal experience. How ‘bout some comments?

MCMAP Cost: 11*/-

Primary skills: Brawling, Judo, Spear
Secondary skills: Knife, Karate
Optional skills: Axe/Mace, Short sword, Staff, Tonfa
Manoeuvres: Arm Lock, Breakfall, Disarming, Close-combat (Knife or Spear), Elbow Strike, Hit Location (Brawling or Spear), Knee Strike, Retain Weapon (Rifle)

*If we assume 1/2 point levels for most average manuevers.

[sir_pudding]

Originally Posted by Icelander

Here is one I expect that at least some posters here know from personal experience. How ‘bout some comments?

MCMAP Cost: 11/-

Primary skills: Brawling, Judo, Spear
Secondary skills: Knife
Optional skills: Axe/Mace, Karate, Short sword, Staff, Tonfa
Manoeuvres: Arm Lock, Disarming, Close-combat (Knife or Spear), Elbow Strike, Hit Location (Brawling or Spear), Retain Weapon (Pistol), Retain Weapon (Rifle)

Add Breakfall, and Knee Strike to the Maneuvers. I'm not sure about Retain Weapon unless it's a Black Belt technique.

Do you really think MCMAP strikes and kicks are Brawling? I'd go for for Karate myself.

Hit Location in 4e needs to specifiy both an attack and a location ie. Knee Strike(Groin) or Bayonet Thrust (Vitals).

[Icelander]

Originally Posted by sir_pudding

Add Breakfall, and Knee Strike to the Maneuvers. I'm not sure about Retain Weapon unless it's a Black Belt technique.

Do you really think MCMAP strikes and kicks are Brawling? I'd go for for Karate myself.

Hit Location in 4e needs to specifiy both an attack and a location ie. Knee Strike(Groin) or Bayonet Thrust (Vitals).

From what I understand, MCMAP strikes are meant to flow naturally from what students already know and be learned quickly and with a minimum of effort. That, in my opinion, implies Brawling. Karate is a part of the training, certainly, and those kicks that are taught would without a doubt fall under that.

Keep in mind, however, that this is in 3e terms, where it was often better to have a high level of Brawling skill and then just Karate at level 15 to add to damage.

I wondered about Knee Strike and mostly left it out to avoid having all the combatives styles look alike. I will add it.

Breakfall? Basic Judo skill is assumed to include training in that and only those styles that emphasise it heavily have it written as a seperate manuever in MA 3e. Are you sure?

Retain Weapon (Rifle), I would consider very likely as a part of bayonet training. Retain Weapon (Pistol) was included to represent CQB training. If you think it is unwarranted, I'll drop it.

And as for Hit Location, this is the 3e version of MCMAP. SJGames will include the style in 4e terms in the new Martial Arts book.

[sir_pudding]

Originally Posted by Icelander

I wondered about Knee Strike and mostly left it out to avoid having all the combatives styles look alike. I will add it.

Yeah, after all those Knee Drills I think it's certainly justified.

Breakfall? Basic Judo skill is assumed to include training in that and only those styles that emphasise it heavily have it written as a seperate manuever in MA 3e. Are you sure?

I've practiced breakfalls in MCMAP almost as much as I did in aikido.

Retain Weapon (Rifle), I would consider very likely as a part of bayonet training. Retain Weapon (Pistol) was included to represent CQB training. If you think it is unwarranted, I'll drop it.

We did a little Retain Weapon (Rifle) at Tan Belt (basically one move), Gray Belt doesn't have any emphasis on bayonet combat really (that I know of). I'm not sure about pistol stuff. I'm only a Tan Belt, and have some Gray Belt training, myself.

[Icelander]

Originally Posted by sir_pudding

I've practiced breakfalls in MCMAP almost as much as I did in aikido.

I'm just worried about the excessive cost of the style. It's reaching a similar cost level as the more complex Sport/Art styles and that goes counter to the purpose of it.

I'll add it if you insist. Sigh... ;)

Originally Posted by sir_pudding

We did a little Retain Weapon (Rifle) at Tan Belt (basically one move), Gray Belt doesn't have any emphasis on bayonet combat really (that I know of). I'm not sure about pistol stuff. I'm only a Tan Belt, and have some Gray Belt training, myself.

I´ll admit that the focus on bayonet training is influenced partly by the older LINE system and I sort of assumed that it would hold true today as well.

Pistol stuff duly dropped.