TFT:ITL Page 35; under: Weight Carried

[Jim Kane]

TFT:ITL Page 35; under: Weight Carried states:

"...2 to 3 times ST: MA reduced to 8. 3 to 4 times ST: MA reduced to 6. DX -1. 4 to 5 times ST: MA reduced to 4. DX -2. Note that these speeds refer to running (i.e., combat) speeds. All figures walking normally through the labyrinth are assumed to have a MA of 3."

*IF* those MA reduction values are based on the assumption of a figure with an MA of 10 - BUT, all figures do not have an MA of 10 - would it not be more accurate to write that as: "2 to 3 times ST: MA reduced by 2. 3 to 4 times ST: MA reduced by 4. DX -1. 4 to 5 times ST: MA reduced by 6. DX -2." ?

If not, a figure with an MA higher than 10 - such as a human figure with the running talent which "adds to two to your MA at all times"(now at MA 12), or an Elf (natural MA of 12) - or an Elf with the running talent (now at MA 14), will drop disproportionately in MA to that of other figures when encumbered; if read as written.

Although an experienced GM would know to add the running talent back in for a human figure - or add 2 for the elf (or 4 if he had running) - after applying the encumbrance penalty, *but would a beginning GM?*

May not be a big deal, but I am always concerned about the new, future TFT GMs.

JK

[Skarg]

Originally Posted by Jim Kane

TFT:ITL Page 35; under: Weight Carried states:

"...2 to 3 times ST: MA reduced to 8. 3 to 4 times ST: MA reduced to 6. DX -1. 4 to 5 times ST: MA reduced to 4. DX -2. Note that these speeds refer to running (i.e., combat) speeds. All figures walking normally through the labyrinth are assumed to have a MA of 3."

*IF* those MA reduction values are based on the assumption of a figure with an MA of 10 - BUT, all figures do not have an MA of 10 - would it not be more accurate to write that as: "2 to 3 times ST: MA reduced by 2. 3 to 4 times ST: MA reduced by 4. DX -1. 4 to 5 times ST: MA reduced by 6. DX -2." ?

If not, a figure with an MA higher than 10 - such as a human figure with the running talent which "adds to two to your MA at all times"(now at MA 12), or an Elf (natural MA of 12) - or an Elf with the running talent (now at MA 14), will drop disproportionately in MA to that of other figures when encumbered; if read as written.

Although an experienced GM would know to add the running talent back in for a human figure - or add 2 for the elf (or 4 if he had running) - after applying the encumbrance penalty, *but would a beginning GM?*

May not be a big deal, but I am always concerned about the new, future TFT GMs

Yeah, that's another good thing to clarify, since as you say, you get a different final MA depending on when you start from a rule that sets MA to a number, versus when you apply modifiers, AND there is a precedent for exceptions set by Elves and their MA 12 in up to Cloth armor, MA 10 in Leather, MA 6 in heavier armor.

[JLV]

And that might be a nice place to clarify if Fatigue applies to movement/weight carried, and if so, how...

[Steve Jackson]

Got to be careful there. Would Usain Bolt move faster with an 80-pound backpack than thee or me? We might need to change the Runner talent instead, and specify that it only gives a bonus when wearing leather eor lighter. That feels more correct to me, but I have never been hiking with either an elf or Usain Bolt.

[Jim Kane]

Originally Posted by Steve Jackson

Got to be careful there. Would Usain Bolt move faster with an 80-pound backpack than thee or me? We might need to change the Runner talent instead, and specify that it only gives a bonus when wearing leather eor lighter. That feels more correct to me, but I have never been hiking with either an elf or Usain Bolt.

Perhaps, but what about the case of Elves (which start with an MA of 12); do they drop all the way to an MA of 8 when carrying 2 to 3 times ST in weight, just like figures with an MA of 10?

JK

[Terquem]

Every year in the spring, summer, and fall I hike up Baldy Mountain in Idaho with my wife. I take a light back pack, just a few snacks and plenty of water, a first aid kit, some extra socks, and some small incidentals. It takes us about three hours to reach the Round House restaurant.

I've never run up that trail, but I have been passed by people who do...

some of them wear back packs while they are running up that trail (it is a rise of about 5,000 feet from the Lodge at the base to the top)

there is definitely something wrong with those people.

[David Bofinger]

Originally Posted by Jim Kane

Perhaps, but what about the case of Elves (which start with an MA of 12); do they drop all the way to an MA of 8 when carrying 2 to 3 times ST in weight, just like figures with an MA of 10?

I think it should work the same way armour does.

[guymc]

Originally Posted by Steve Jackson

Got to be careful there. Would Usain Bolt move faster with an 80-pound backpack than thee or me? We might need to change the Runner talent instead, and specify that it only gives a bonus when wearing leather eor lighter. That feels more correct to me, but I have never been hiking with either an elf or Usain Bolt.

Usain is a sweetheart, but elves just go on and on and on about how much better their hiking gear is than yours. Never hike with an elf.

[JLV]

Braggarts! They shop at REI all the time...