Cost Factor for AP Melee Weapon

martinl · 07-16-2018, 02:16 PM

"Bodkin" style armor piercing melee weapons are a thing that would be useful in DF, especially for some of the fodderyer types of critters, but what's a good CF? It's not expensive for arrows, so I'm sort of leaning to +1.

Armor Piecing (any impaling melee or thrown weapon): Change damage type to pi, add armor divisor (2). If weapon has non-impaling attack modes, those are not affected. +1 CF.

Thoughts?

~~evileeyore~~ · 07-16-2018, 03:59 PM

It looks kosher to me.

Harald387 · 07-16-2018, 06:15 PM

Adding an armor divisor to swing damage (such as picks) is an iffy proposition. I'd suggest the following:

Armor Piercer: A weapon optimized for penetrating heavy armor. Its impaling attack gets -1 to basic damage but gains an armor divisor of (2). For swords and knives with this modification, change any cutting attack to crushing; other weapons (such as picks or polearms) are unaffected. CF is +3 for swords, knives, and other blades; +9 for all other weapons.

Astute observers familiar with GURPS will notice that I lifted this from GURPS: Low-Tech Companion 2

ArchonShiva · 07-17-2018, 10:21 PM

Not expensive for arrows? It halves damage!
Changing imp to (2)pi is a game changer but *probably okay*. I’d make it the same price as Fine, thieves and swashbucklers will be all over it, and probably knights, too.

Adding a (2) divisor to cr, imp and cut damage weapons is potentially gamebreaking. Since armor divisor is multiplicative, this is roughly the equivalent of something that should cost $30k as an enchantement, which is to say, adding a penetrating Penetrating (2) enchantement for $5k will result in armor divisor (4). I would advise against this, but would get it on everything if it were allowed.

Bruno · 07-18-2018, 08:13 AM

It doesn't halve damage to the vitals or brain, which for quite a few PC archers is all they ever seem to shoot at.

Imbicatus · 07-18-2018, 01:03 PM

I might allow it for spears or daggers, because spears and small knives can use some help. I’d never allow it for swords or picks.

ArchonShiva · 07-21-2018, 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bruno

It doesn't halve damage to the vitals or brain, which for quite a few PC archers is all they ever seem to shoot at.

Note that while eyes are usually obvious, vitals and brain on not-basic humanoid races are called out as requiring specialized physiology rolls, which scouts have quite a hard time making.

That said, yes, it’s how (2)pi is made useful.

07-16-2018, 02:16 PM	#1
martinl Join Date: Jan 2006	Cost Factor for AP Melee Weapon "Bodkin" style armor piercing melee weapons are a thing that would be useful in DF, especially for some of the fodderyer types of critters, but what's a good CF? It's not expensive for arrows, so I'm sort of leaning to +1. Armor Piecing (any impaling melee or thrown weapon): Change damage type to pi, add armor divisor (2). If weapon has non-impaling attack modes, those are not affected. +1 CF. Thoughts?

07-16-2018, 03:59 PM	#2
~~evileeyore~~ Banned Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: 100 hurricane swamp	Re: Cost Factor for AP Melee Weapon It looks kosher to me.

07-16-2018, 06:15 PM	#3
Harald387 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Ottawa, ON, CA	Re: Cost Factor for AP Melee Weapon Adding an armor divisor to swing damage (such as picks) is an iffy proposition. I'd suggest the following: Armor Piercer: A weapon optimized for penetrating heavy armor. Its impaling attack gets -1 to basic damage but gains an armor divisor of (2). For swords and knives with this modification, change any cutting attack to crushing; other weapons (such as picks or polearms) are unaffected. CF is +3 for swords, knives, and other blades; +9 for all other weapons. Astute observers familiar with GURPS will notice that I lifted this from GURPS: Low-Tech Companion 2 __________________ M2: Everything is true. GP: Even false things? M2: Even false things are true. GP: How can that be? M2: I don't know man, I didn't do it.

07-17-2018, 10:21 PM	#4
ArchonShiva Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Montréal, Québec	Re: Cost Factor for AP Melee Weapon Not expensive for arrows? It halves damage! Changing imp to (2)pi is a game changer but probably okay. I’d make it the same price as Fine, thieves and swashbucklers will be all over it, and probably knights, too. Adding a (2) divisor to cr, imp and cut damage weapons is potentially gamebreaking. Since armor divisor is multiplicative, this is roughly the equivalent of something that should cost $30k as an enchantement, which is to say, adding a penetrating Penetrating (2) enchantement for $5k will result in armor divisor (4). I would advise against this, but would get it on everything if it were allowed. __________________ Per-based Stealth isn’t remotely as awkward as DX-based Observation.

07-18-2018, 08:13 AM	#5
Bruno Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Canada	Re: Cost Factor for AP Melee Weapon It doesn't halve damage to the vitals or brain, which for quite a few PC archers is all they ever seem to shoot at. __________________ All about Size Modifier; Unified Hit Location Table A Wiki for my F2F Group A neglected GURPS blog

07-18-2018, 01:03 PM	#6
Imbicatus Join Date: Sep 2016	Re: Cost Factor for AP Melee Weapon I might allow it for spears or daggers, because spears and small knives can use some help. I’d never allow it for swords or picks.