Quasi-real Tained By a Master

[Jareth Valar]

Question: Taking the access to Chi/Cinematic Skills away from TBaM and still requiring Special Training for most things TBaM allows. Would this be a viable advantage for a semi-realistic game (between realistic an cinematic/not quite action movie)? If so, what would it cost 15, 20, 10?

Thanks

[Kelly Pedersen]

I lack the martial arts knowledge to judge whether such a trait would be realistic or not. However, for price, I can say that I wouldn't limit it much at all, compared to regular Trained by a Master. GURPS in general doesn't put much weight on "serves as a prerequisite" - since you have to pay points for the things it gives access to anyway, it's not that valuable on the base trait. And the other benefits of Trained By a Master (improved parries and Rapid Strikes, and various other halved penalties for cinematic techniques and various stunts) are all still worth a lot. I'd peg "Doesn't serve as a prerequisite for cinematic skills" as a -20% limitation on Trained By A Master.

[Gnome]

Originally Posted by Kelly Pedersen

I lack the martial arts knowledge to judge whether such a trait would be realistic or not. However, for price, I can say that I wouldn't limit it much at all, compared to regular Trained by a Master. GURPS in general doesn't put much weight on "serves as a prerequisite" - since you have to pay points for the things it gives access to anyway, it's not that valuable on the base trait. And the other benefits of Trained By a Master (improved parries and Rapid Strikes, and various other halved penalties for cinematic techniques and various stunts) are all still worth a lot. I'd peg "Doesn't serve as a prerequisite for cinematic skills" as a -20% limitation on Trained By A Master.

What about the reverse? How much should an advantage cost that only gives access to chi/cinematic skills, perks and techniques, but doesn't halve penalties for rapid strikes and multiple parries?

[Kelly Pedersen]

Originally Posted by Gnome

What about the reverse? How much should an advantage cost that only gives access to chi/cinematic skills, perks and techniques, but doesn't halve penalties for rapid strikes and multiple parries?

Well, my suggestion of -20% was for only removing the cinematic skills, not all the various techniques or perks. I'd price a limitation that removed access to all of the cinematic skills stuff at -30%, and price the reverse, "Only cinematic skills/technique access" at -70%. So, 9 points, basically.

[Railstar]

Originally Posted by Gnome

What about the reverse? How much should an advantage cost that only gives access to chi/cinematic skills, perks and techniques, but doesn't halve penalties for rapid strikes and multiple parries?

Unusual Background. My "default" price for Unusual Background is [10], on par with Reawakened.

Or Special Exercises perk at 1 point per cinematic advantage (or perk), or Unusual Training perk at 1 point per skill/technique.

[Fred Brackin]

Originally Posted by Jareth Valar

Question: Taking the access to Chi/Cinematic Skills away from TBaM and still requiring Special Training for most things TBaM allows. Would this be a viable advantage for a semi-realistic game (between realistic an cinematic/not quite action movie)? If so, what would it cost 15, 20, 10?

Thanks

Inability to use the Cinematic Skills covered by TBAM is the Mundane Background Disad and worth -10.

[Phantasm]

Originally Posted by Fred Brackin

Inability to use the Cinematic Skills covered by TBAM is the Mundane Background Disad and worth -10.

Because of that, I'd price a "No Access to Cinematic Skills" Accessibility limitation at -10%.

[AlexanderHowl]

Actually, I think that Trained By a Master without the ability to learn Cinematic Skills or Perks should be -30%.

[Fred Brackin]

Originally Posted by Phantasm

Because of that, I'd price a "No Access to Cinematic Skills" Accessibility limitation at -10%.

Only a stupid person would buy it at that price. He could just take TBAM at 30 pts and Mundane Background at -10 and use pricing of items in the Basic Set.

[Gnome]

Originally Posted by Fred Brackin

Only a stupid person would buy it at that price. He could just take TBAM at 30 pts and Mundane Background at -10 and use pricing of items in the Basic Set.

In my experience, most PCs take the maximum number of disadvantages, so this would be a reshuffling of points but not a savings.