What does Unfit apply to?

[Anders]

Originally Posted by sir_pudding

At - 10 it is the only disadvantage a regular person might have, and at - 15 it is now solely a disadvantage of more capable characters. Reluctant Killer plus Unfit and two Quirks is already -12 points for your everyman.

Disadvantage limits are an optional rule, so if you don't use that rule it's not a problem.

[David Johnston2]

Originally Posted by corwyn

For that reason, I don't think I'll apply it to extra effort in combat (assuming I ever see a PC with it). I think it's overkill for -5 points, the other penalties easily are worth 5 pts of inconvenience, and when I allow EE it tends to be a big part of the game. I would probably give -5 or -10 for no EE in combat by itself based on my games. Either that or bump Unfit up to -10 or -15 because it would be roughly equivalent to -3 to -5 fatigue.

The possibility of messing up extra effort is virtually the only situation where Unfit is likely to come up as a problem for the player. I mean sure the character will be miserable in a cross country hike and will slow more fit people down, but that's just roleplaying stuff. It doesn't affect your ability to succeed for the most part.



And yeah, it's important to consider how hard it will be to buy/train off a disad. Unfit is one of the advantages that is most likely to be eliminated in the course of a character arc. Or a training montage.

You're the saddest bunch
I ever met
But you can bet
Mister, I'll make a man
Out of you

Boy do I regret cutting Jim!
But Jim had it coming!

[corwyn]

Originally Posted by David Johnston2

The possibility of messing up extra effort is virtually the only situation where Unfit is likely to come up as a problem for the player. I mean sure the character will be miserable in a cross country hike and will slow more fit people down, but that's just roleplaying stuff. It doesn't affect your ability to succeed for the most part.

No, the extra fatigue loss is practically an afterthought. It doesn't apply in a lot of games because fatigue is often hand waved and EE in combat isn't part of a lot of games. The main downside is -1 to HT rolls and is easily detrimental enough for -5 points by itself. The inverse of Hard to Kill and Hard to Subdue plus a penalty to a host of rolls - stunning, poisons, disease, spells and other supernatural attacks, etc. It's not uncommon to roll Ht over a dozen times per character. And failing a HT roll is often debilitating.