Dungeon Fantasy Roleplaying Game Discussion Thread

[Dragondog]

And I want it all gives you 12 colored bases in addition to the black ones.

[Nemoricus]

Originally Posted by Dragondog

And I want it all gives you 12 colored bases in addition to the black ones.

"I Want It All" comes with 24 black bases and 12 colored bases in total.

[demonsbane]

Originally Posted by Refplace

Angels fall and become fallen angels
Holy warrior Falls and loses his power.
So its about metaphysics not gravity :)

(After almost two weeks, I'm quoting this outside the spoiler tag).

Besides the pun, which mostly takes advantage of grammar connections, there's as well an analogical and anagogical relationship between the two meanings mentioned here ("gravity" and "metaphysics"), which means that to fall in a bodily way can symbolize a spiritual fall, like sometimes is portrayed for the aforementioned fallen angels.

And since fallen angels are demons, here's also a link with the anti-paladin (the Unholy Warrior in GURPS Dungeon Fantasy 3: The Next Level), which is beyond losing the paladin status, having taken a downward direction (1) inside the domain of curses and beyond. Like the fall involved in "Saruman the White" becoming "Saruman of Many Colours".

On the other hand, if the bodily fall of a knight can remind us as well, for instance, losing the favor from the court of an specific king due to a moral failure, dishonor or something similar (2), strictly or properly speaking that would be not a symbol, but an horizontal comparison, a metaphor, not involving per se ontological dimensions but straightforward relationships at the level of social status (even if some social motifs can be symbols in themselves).

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(1) Cf. the "Above and Below" box in GURPS Fantasy, p. 40; the "flat Earth" mentioned there accounts for the horizontal dimension inside an ontological frame (it includes verticality, like "heavens" and "hells" —or "upper" and "lower planes").

(2) Moral status and honor are psychical and social traits, not spiritual-ontological states of being in themselves, like the ones of angels and enlightened saints.

Now, it's true that the Dungeon Fantasy Holy Warrior gains holy abilities "from above" due to these human traits, that can be aimed and related to the gods and the supernatural (like in the case of believers and such), so strictly a moral fall could be for them at the same time a sort of spiritual fall, a sin cutting the relationship with "above".

At this very level are GURPS traits (or part of them) in its template like Honesty, Sense of Duty (Good entities), Vow (Own no more than horse can carry), Charitable, Disciplines of Faith (Ritualism or Mysticism), and others.

However, degrees of Holiness (GURPS Dungeon Fantasy 3: The Next Level, p. 22) can mean not only a virtuous character rewarded by the gods, but also a direct participation into the higher states of being like in the case of enlightened saints (they can be it in partial ways too).

[demonsbane]

By the way, posting this makes me to remind that character templates like the Unholy Warrior will not be included in the Dungeon Fantasy Roleplaying Game. But of course I can be wrong, and on the other hand maybe there can be something along these lines in the section devoted to monsters, like antagonist NPCs.

[evileeyore]

Originally Posted by demonsbane

By the way, posting this makes me to remind that character templates like the Unholy Warrior will not be included in the Dungeon Fantasy Roleplaying Game.

Of course not. DFRPG is mostly a redo of DF 1 and 2, Unholy Warriors and Evil Clerics didn't show up until DF 7.

[demonsbane]

Originally Posted by evileeyore

Of course not. DFRPG is mostly a redo of DF 1 and 2, Unholy Warriors and Evil Clerics didn't show up until DF 7.

Like I was saying, Unholy Warriors and Evil Clerics are from DF 3.

What DF 7 does is providing more options to them.

Originally Posted by Dungeon Fantasy 7: Clerics, p. 3

GURPS Dungeon Fantasy 3 provides basic information on evil clerics and unholy warriors

[evileeyore]

Originally Posted by demonsbane

Like I was saying, Unholy Warriors and Evil Clerics are from DF 3.

So they are. Not sure why I thought they didn't show up till 7.

[lachimba]

Originally Posted by evileeyore

Get a printer that can handle card stock.

It's amazing what all you'll find yourself printing.

Apparently most printers can't handle it. I wonder about a decent office printer managing it.

[scc]

Originally Posted by lachimba

Apparently most printers can't handle it. I wonder about a decent office printer managing it.

Failing that, print them out on normal paper and glue the paper to a cereal box

[PK]

Originally Posted by lachimba

Apparently most printers can't handle it. I wonder about a decent office printer managing it.

That can't be right. I've had about four or five inkjet printers, and every single one of them printed on cardstock with no problem. My current one is an HP 2541 that cost me $30 at Walmart and I use cardstock all the time.