deprive helpers from treasures or main munchkins from treasures.

[Boaz Reinders]

Hello, first of all happy new year everybody.

2 questions popped up because of a game i played this evening.

1: I fought a monster that gave 4 treasures and i couldnt defeat it so I asked a helper. The helper agreed to help for 2 of the 4 treasures. After that a +10 card was thrown on the monster so it gave 6 treasures. My fellow munchkin helper then played the polymorph card which state that the monster flies away and leaves its treasure.

My question is: does the helper still get the 2 treasures or since the monster hasn't been defeated the main fighter gets it all? Or does the helper get al the treasures since he played the polymorph card?

2: my friend asked my to help him in his combat and i agreed to help him for 3 of the 4 treasures. Then i played a -5 to monster so there is 1 fewer treasure (munchkinly me)

My question is: will i still get the 3 treasures and he gets none?

[Andrew Hackard]

Originally Posted by Boaz Reinders

1: I fought a monster that gave 4 treasures and i couldnt defeat it so I asked a helper. The helper agreed to help for 2 of the 4 treasures. After that a +10 card was thrown on the monster so it gave 6 treasures. My fellow munchkin helper then played the polymorph card which state that the monster flies away and leaves its treasure.

My question is: does the helper still get the 2 treasures or since the monster hasn't been defeated the main fighter gets it all? Or does the helper get al the treasures since he played the polymorph card?

The monster WAS defeated (but not killed). The Treasure division stands as agreed. The rules explicitly say that the main player always draws the Treasure, even if it was the helper's ability (or card, in this case) that defeated the monster.

Originally Posted by Boaz Reinders

2: my friend asked my to help him in his combat and i agreed to help him for 3 of the 4 treasures. Then i played a -5 to monster so there is 1 fewer treasure (munchkinly me)

My question is: will i still get the 3 treasures and he gets none?

It depends on EXACTLY how the agreement was worded. If the agreement was "I'll help you for three Treasures," then you get three and your friend gets nothing. If it was, "Take the one you want and I'll take the other three," then your friend takes one and you get two.

[Boaz Reinders]

But what if the agreement was, ill help you for 3 treasures so you get 1?
My friend said since we agreed on 3 to 1 he wouldd always get 1..

[Mister Ed]

Originally Posted by Boaz Reinders

But what if the agreement was, ill help you for 3 treasures so you get 1?
My friend said since we agreed on 3 to 1 he wouldd always get 1..

Did he explain why "3 and 1" means he always gets one, but somehow doesn't mean you always get 3? The same logic would apply in either direction.

Someone official can tell me if I'm right, but I THINK official policy has been that in a case like that, where the agreement cannot be met exactly as stated, that the agreement is always interpreted in the way that most benefits the helper.

[Andrew Hackard]

Originally Posted by Mister Ed

Someone official can tell me if I'm right, but I THINK official policy has been that in a case like that, where the agreement cannot be met exactly as stated, that the agreement is always interpreted in the way that most benefits the helper.

It's explicit in the Tournament Rules, but not in the general game rules. That said, it's the guideline I would use if it were my game -- it pays people who are negotiating to be VERY specific.

[Stormcrow]

Simple solution: stop specifying how many total treasures you expect the monster to provide. Try to avoid dividing the total treasure by fractions, too, as those may no longer be evenly divisible.

In other words, don't say you get "three out of four." Just say you get "three." Or say you get "all but one." Anything to avoid relying on a prearranged total that might not be correct in the end.

Those are the sorts of arguments that can cost you friends.

[PK]

Originally Posted by Boaz Reinders

But what if the agreement was, ill help you for 3 treasures so you get 1?
My friend said since we agreed on 3 to 1 he wouldd always get 1..

When I'm running a tournament, I make it clear that one should never assume that a fight with a "four Treasure monster" will provide four Treasures. So you always specify that the helper (not the main player) gets a fixed number of Treasures ("I'll help for two Treasures of my choice") or a simple fraction ("I'll help for half the Treasures of my choice, rounded down") -- and you should make it clear who chooses (if left unspecified, the main player always chooses).

As tournament MIB, I try to resolve edge cases as fairly as possible, but I tend to break ties in favor of the main player (not the helper) because, IMO, it's the helper's responsibility to make his required payment clear.

[Andrew Hackard]

Originally Posted by PK

As tournament MIB, I try to resolve edge cases as fairly as possible, but I tend to break ties in favor of the main player (not the helper) because, IMO, it's the helper's responsibility to make his required payment clear.

That's exactly NOT what the Tournament Rules say, though. I know because I wrote that sentence.

[PK]

Originally Posted by Andrew Hackard

That's exactly NOT what the Tournament Rules say, though. I know because I wrote that sentence.

It's worth noting that the last time I ran a tournament, no such rules existed. I'll be sure to brush up on them if I do one in the future, though -- thanks!