Spraying Mace...

[Kalzazz]

The reason police usually don't want to hit people in the face with OC at melee range is the hydraulic needle effect, which is splendid for splattering peoples eyes, and your friendly OC spray is intended for situations where you don't actually want to cause permanent harm (guns are better for permanent harm)

Couple things on Hydraulic needle (see pg 6 here http://www.nyc.gov/html/ccrb/downloa...pepper1997.pdf )

and here http://web.monroecc.edu/manila/webfi...rCourse207.pdf (can just search on it here)

I've gotten mud and paint and bug repellent and such in my eyes and I can definitely assure you that OC and CS are both less fun. Also, they are much more unpleasant on skin (especially if your hot and sweaty so pores are open), so direct hits are less key.

That said, if your all psyched up and the adrenaline is pumping (such as when your about to be exposed to it in class and its all hyped up) can definitely mitigate the effects compared to running into it by surprise!

Also, sprays can be wildly slippery! I would treat trying to grapple with someone who has been doused in pepper spray as if they were oiled up! And not all the spray gets on them, it will be all on the floor and everywhere.

Anyway, pepper spray is not a magic bullet, thats why cell extraction teams are all armored up and use superior numbers even if the offender they are extracting has been hit with chemical agents

[Christopher R. Rice]

Originally Posted by sir_pudding

I've never been shot with beanbags or fire-hoses. I have fillings so MAD will probably drop me too, but I've never been in one of those tests (though I did volunteer for what was probably one, but they didn't end up needing me).

Fire-hose was a joke on behalf of of Engine 9 on me - it got less funny when I didn't fall down. Beanbags (I think it was a 12 guage) was the same training guy who did all my other stuff. He shot one expecting me to go down and then did three more. I flinched at the end and bruised up, but that was it. You know, more on subject, just reading the stuff off the body of spray deodorant I have and googling it - I think I'd rather be hit in the face with mace/pepper spray. I'm afraid I'm not sure what "MAD" means here. I'm just a simply country boy, y'know. :-)

[Ulzgoroth]

Originally Posted by Ghostdancer

Fire-hose was a joke on behalf of of Engine 9 on me - it got less funny when I didn't fall down. Beanbags (I think it was a 12 guage) was the same training guy who did all my other stuff. He shot one expecting me to go down and then did three more. I flinched at the end and bruised up, but that was it. You know, more on subject, just reading the stuff off the body of spray deodorant I have and googling it - I think I'd rather be hit in the face with mace/pepper spray. I'm afraid I'm not sure what "MAD" means here. I'm just a simply country boy, y'know. :-)

Microwave Area Denial, I think it stands for.

Supposedly makes you feel like your skin is burning off or something, without actually burning off your skin.

[Christopher R. Rice]

Originally Posted by Ulzgoroth

Microwave Area Denial, I think it stands for.

Supposedly makes you feel like your skin is burning off or something, without actually burning off your skin.

Interesting. Never came across it before. Most times I dealt with folks who'd rather just beat the hell out of me or if I was unlucky shoot at me.

[Kalzazz]

One useful thing to remember is that your handy can of pepper spray can make a good fistload! Though I have also seen it demonstrated to use it as a blunt knife in a reverse grip . . . . its a pretty quick motion to thrust the bottom part of the can forward especially if the opponent is trying to close with you.

[Kalzazz]

Any of you gotten to play with the taser shields? Taser shields seem interesting and lack GURPS stats

Also, noone has described a capture shield for technical grappling yet and its use

Hmm, not sure whether it is relevant in GURPS terms, but modern tactical (groan, I hate using that word) are often intended to help people run and stay standing on wet pavement or concrete and other slippery surfaces with their non skid soles. Don't know if this is enough to matter, but I certainly noticed a difference. Also are good for LARPing!

[Ulzgoroth]

Originally Posted by Ghostdancer

Interesting. Never came across it before. Most times I dealt with folks who'd rather just beat the hell out of me or if I was unlucky shoot at me.

It's a vehicle-based system. You'd have to be dealing with someone with extensive and eccentric resources for it to have any chance of turning up.

[sir_pudding]

Originally Posted by Ulzgoroth

It's a vehicle-based system. You'd have to be dealing with someone with extensive and eccentric resources for it to have any chance of turning up.

Like I said I wasn't "lucky" enough to be selected for any of those tests (even though I am fairly sure that I volunteered for one). I suppose that you can call my employer at the time an organization with extensive and eccentric resources.

[LemmingLord]

Originally Posted by sir_pudding

You can definitely fight with pepper spray exposure. I have seen it, and more-or-less did it. I've also done calisthenics and push-ups after CS exposure.

Im assuming those who are extra resilient to these things are resilent because of specific factors unrelated to cardiovascular health and general "hardy constitution"... Furthermore, the effectiveness of these things are likely to remain consistent... If a certain kind of taser hits the same person five times on five different days in the same spot, it is very likely to have the same effect. More realism would be to consider these things automatically causing their affects unless you've purchased specific resistance to them.

[Kalzazz]

How old is the can, have you been able to get it shaken ahead of time, wind, humidity, temperature etc all factor in to