Impudite Dissonance Rationalization - Page 2

Azel · 02-02-2014, 10:57 AM

I previously commented on this idea of celestials being creatures of thought versus us humans being creatures of matter. They are words made manifest, and certain concepts are their embodiment, be it their choir/band or served word. It's back in the forum somewhere, where I made the distinction of Seraphim and Balseraphs resonating to the extremes of Truth, Kyriotates and Shedim resonating to the extremes of Perspective, and Cherubim and Djinn resonating to the extremes of Attachment.

(Ahh, there it is: What is the Main Psychological Difference? topic)

For Mercurians and Impudites I would say Politics is their core resonance spectrum. Now I could say Relationships instead, but Politics is an important word. Politics is often summarily defined as "who gets what, and how, when, where, and why." It's essentially about perceiving distribution.

A Mercurian sees Politics according to their Superior's needs, but also takes a selfless and self sacrificing viewpoint in encompassing broader peoples into account. Then comes the entertaining "polite disagreement" among good on distribution -- good, though cooperative, still has arguments about ordered priorities.

An Impudite also sees Politics according to their Superior's needs, yet its selfish and self-preserving viewpoint restricts its targets. "Power belongs to me, and grudgingly anyone above who makes my survival possible." Thus major power resources lost -- and that's what humans are, batteries of essence in their power base -- is self-denial and undermines survival. So disagreements over the politics of distribution is also common, but destroying the stakes that keep you in power is the absolutely last thing you want.

To destroy a human removes a thread in the safety net of power resources, and that's horrifying! Better to let the human live to be stolen through the games of politics another day than to strip the foundation of your power, and threaten your existence. A human lost is that much more exposure for an Impudite versus every other competing bastard that wants them dead, both angels and demons.

YMMV, IMC, etc.

johndallman · 02-02-2014, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Azel

Politics is often summarily defined as "who gets what, and how, when, where, and why." It's essentially about perceiving distribution.

That's ... a very materialistic concept of politics. It is often a practical summary of the effects of politics, but it isn't general enough for some circumstances. How does a definition like "Politics is about who has power, who gets their own way, and the limits on that" work in your reasoning?

Azel · 02-03-2014, 10:11 AM

It's only materialistic if you see "what" solely in the human terms of material things.

Harold Lasswell's definition is an easy to grok summation of power, which is what Mercurians and Impudites resonate to (one being more focused on the body politic and the other actual Force makeup). Status, essence, tethers, forces, relationships, position, viewpoint, etc. are all part of the tangible stakes of what gets distributed. What you see as non-materialistic generalizations, such as getting one's own way, positioning, agreed terms, etc., is as real to celestials as the material world is to us.

From a celestial perspective what do they need to conform to human attitudes, that abstract reasonings to power are somehow separate from Lasswell's summary of distribution? They don't do nominalistic at all; the word is real, they've literally seen and lived it from the ethereal and celestial plane. Humans are free to pretend otherwise, and they can afford that luxury because they are creatures of matter, not creatures of thought and soul. The distinction we'd see here just would not be relevant to them.

02-02-2014, 10:57 AM	#1
Azel Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: South of the Town across from the City by the Bay	Re: Impudite Dissonance Rationalization I previously commented on this idea of celestials being creatures of thought versus us humans being creatures of matter. They are words made manifest, and certain concepts are their embodiment, be it their choir/band or served word. It's back in the forum somewhere, where I made the distinction of Seraphim and Balseraphs resonating to the extremes of Truth, Kyriotates and Shedim resonating to the extremes of Perspective, and Cherubim and Djinn resonating to the extremes of Attachment. (Ahh, there it is: What is the Main Psychological Difference? topic) For Mercurians and Impudites I would say Politics is their core resonance spectrum. Now I could say Relationships instead, but Politics is an important word. Politics is often summarily defined as "who gets what, and how, when, where, and why." It's essentially about perceiving distribution. A Mercurian sees Politics according to their Superior's needs, but also takes a selfless and self sacrificing viewpoint in encompassing broader peoples into account. Then comes the entertaining "polite disagreement" among good on distribution -- good, though cooperative, still has arguments about ordered priorities. An Impudite also sees Politics according to their Superior's needs, yet its selfish and self-preserving viewpoint restricts its targets. "Power belongs to me, and grudgingly anyone above who makes my survival possible." Thus major power resources lost -- and that's what humans are, batteries of essence in their power base -- is self-denial and undermines survival. So disagreements over the politics of distribution is also common, but destroying the stakes that keep you in power is the absolutely last thing you want. To destroy a human removes a thread in the safety net of power resources, and that's horrifying! Better to let the human live to be stolen through the games of politics another day than to strip the foundation of your power, and threaten your existence. A human lost is that much more exposure for an Impudite versus every other competing bastard that wants them dead, both angels and demons. YMMV, IMC, etc. Last edited by Azel; 02-02-2014 at 11:01 AM.

02-03-2014, 10:11 AM	#3
Azel Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: South of the Town across from the City by the Bay	Re: Impudite Dissonance Rationalization It's only materialistic if you see "what" solely in the human terms of material things. Harold Lasswell's definition is an easy to grok summation of power, which is what Mercurians and Impudites resonate to (one being more focused on the body politic and the other actual Force makeup). Status, essence, tethers, forces, relationships, position, viewpoint, etc. are all part of the tangible stakes of what gets distributed. What you see as non-materialistic generalizations, such as getting one's own way, positioning, agreed terms, etc., is as real to celestials as the material world is to us. From a celestial perspective what do they need to conform to human attitudes, that abstract reasonings to power are somehow separate from Lasswell's summary of distribution? They don't do nominalistic at all; the word is real, they've literally seen and lived it from the ethereal and celestial plane. Humans are free to pretend otherwise, and they can afford that luxury because they are creatures of matter, not creatures of thought and soul. The distinction we'd see here just would not be relevant to them.