Afflicting Perks/Quirks

[kirbwarrior]

So, the way math is done, if I make an affliction that gives the target a quirk, it costs more than stunning would. Now, it's only a matter of a point, but it made me think; If all I'm doing is giving them a quirk, that sounds fair that (since it replaces stunning) it could just be a feature (or +0%) on affliction. Does this sound fair?

My main thought was that Stunning is +10% when I add that onto another affliction. A quirk is less than that, by quite a bit. If the above is fair, would it also be fair for perks? Or anything else worth +10%? (Mostly would want that with perks)

Thanks ahead of time.

[Sunrunners_Fire]

Originally Posted by kirbwarrior

So, the way math is done, if I make an affliction that gives the target a quirk, it costs more than stunning would. Now, it's only a matter of a point, but it made me think; If all I'm doing is giving them a quirk, that sounds fair that (since it replaces stunning) it could just be a feature (or +0%) on affliction. Does this sound fair?

My main thought was that Stunning is +10% when I add that onto another affliction. A quirk is less than that, by quite a bit. If the above is fair, would it also be fair for perks? Or anything else worth +10%? (Mostly would want that with perks)

Thanks ahead of time.

I am given to understand that you can only add perks|features via affliction of an alternate form that includes those things, rather than afflicting them directly. (Perks aren't Advantages. Quirks aren't Disadvantages. There isn't a "Perk" or "Quirk" or "Feature" enhancement for Affliction that I'm aware of. However, Alternate Form is an Advantage and can include such things as perks, quirks and features on the alternate template.)

As for quirks? They work out to being mind control or forced shape shifting. I'd require the afflictor to afflict the disadvantage the quirk is based on -- where one exists --, or to afflict an alternate form in cases where the quirk isn't a mild form of an existing disadvantage or the ability is already afflicting an alternate form.

Perks, Quirks, Features ... They tend to have effects all out of proportion to their (lack of a) point value.

[DangerousThing]

Originally Posted by Sunrunners_Fire

(Perks aren't Advantages. Quirks aren't Disadvantages. ...)

I am pretty sure that Quirks are disadvantages as perks are advantages.

I believe the defining thing that makes something a disadvantage is costing negative character points. For example, an ST less than racial average is a disadvantage as I understand it.

True, there are trivial advantages and disadvantages, but they are still members of their respective classes.

Am I wrong?

[Dalren]

Originally Posted by Characters pg. 100

A “perk” is a very minor advantage, worth only 1 point. Perks cannot be modified with enhancements or limitations, and they can be added in play without upsetting game balance. Otherwise, perks use the same rules as other advantages.

On the other hand...

Originally Posted by Characters pg. 162

A “quirk” is a minor feature that sets you aside from others. It has a negative point value, but it is not necessarily a disadvantage.

[DangerousThing]

Originally Posted by Dalren

On the other hand...

You changed the emphasis. It's: "not necessarily a disadvantage."

Disadvantages in GURPS restrict the way you can play your character so both Greed and the example "insists on being paid in gold" are restrictions, with the quirk being a very minor restriction.

[kirbwarrior]

Originally Posted by Sunrunners_Fire

Features ... They tend to have effects all out of proportion to their (lack of a) point value.

You do need Alternate Form for features, but I'm pretty sure you can just slap people with perks and quirks.

[Ashtagon]

Do the rule books distinguish between an "advantage" and an "Advantage"?

[Dinadon]

Originally Posted by Ashtagon

Do the rule books distinguish between an "advantage" and an "Advantage"?

Um, yes? An Advantage is something you purchase with points from the Advantages section of the rulebook. An advantage is some benefit you have over an opponent in a given situation.

[Not]

The German edition of Gurps must be confusing as heck.

[PK]

Originally Posted by kirbwarrior

So, the way math is done, if I make an affliction that gives the target a quirk, it costs more than stunning would.

It's only +1%, but it's true that that could potentially drive the value of the Affliction up by one whole character point. (It's not necessarily the case, of course; only if your total limitations divide evenly by 10.) Honestly, given the potential inherent in afflicting quirks, I think the cost is perfectly justified.