Unkillable 3 vs. a Black Hole?

[zuldan]

apply the module. the advantage that lets you change your points around in a given theme. sure there be a way to do it, if not fairly expensive.

[shadowjack]

I think a GM could have grounds for declaring that a black hole is Cosmic, and therefore trumps Unkillable 3 (unless, of course, Unkillable also has the Cosmic power modifier). There's plenty of fictional precedent for immortal energy beings being imprisoned in black holes, dimensional rifts, and so on, and this would be an easy way to handle that. Perhaps they aren't actually dead, but as far as they matter to the universe as we know it, they're gone. (Until the black hole evaporates or one of the energy being's minions is able to invent an anti-black hole device with which to rescue them, et cetera.)

I agree it wouldn't do any good if the Unkillable involves other planes which have nothing to do with this dimension's space-time foibles.

[zuldan]

while i dont think being trapped in a given container would cause much fear, unless its a common thing that happens. But if they can be used to power or are used in some regard when they are trapped. ( like those energy creature from trigun) where they are constantly being drained. then think thats where the fear would come from.

[Ragabash Moon]

Originally Posted by zuldan

apply the module. the advantage that lets you change your points around in a given theme. sure there be a way to do it, if not fairly expensive.

What?

Originally Posted by zuldan

while i dont think being trapped in a given container would cause much fear, unless its a common thing that happens. But if they can be used to power or are used in some regard when they are trapped. ( like those energy creature from trigun) where they are constantly being drained. then think thats where the fear would come from.

Well, I was more thinking the fear is that you can never die, so if you are imprisoned for an eternity... that's a fate worse than death. I think to some extent, it would be a truly immortal being's Hell.

[Ragabash Moon]

So, what about Anti-Psi? If it was Psi based, would Unkillable kick back in even after "Death" if the Anti-Psi effect was removed?

[vierasmarius]

Originally Posted by Ragabash Moon

What?

He means Modular Ability, though I'm not sure how that pertains to this situation. Perhaps as a way to Neutralize any potential advantage that the target possesses.

[sir_pudding]

Originally Posted by Ragabash Moon

So, what about Anti-Psi? If it was Psi based, would Unkillable kick back in even after "Death" if the Anti-Psi effect was removed?

What Anti-Psi effect? If you have Neutralization with Extended Duration (Permanent) or similar, then yes. Otherwise I don't think so.

If you mean Cancellation (GURPS Psionic Powers p. 23) then I'd say you can keep them dead for minutes equal to your MoS and the Crippling technique will let you keep them down for 1d months.

[zuldan]

Originally Posted by vierasmarius

He means Modular Ability, though I'm not sure how that pertains to this situation. Perhaps as a way to Neutralize any potential advantage that the target possesses.

ya! lol sorry i need to do the quote the i guess. forgot about sometimes.
and this is what i meant.



and for the Anti-Psi "coffee break" example

i think once there dead there dead. but if you wanna be a nice GM could always allow a HT or Will roll to see if they can pull them self back together. not sure the legal way.

think officially they would need the cosmic enhancement. applied to "comes back on after Anti Psi power is no longer present"

Trapped: while it could possibly leave mental scares, dont think it would be a racial fear and much as it would be a fear on those it already happened to. unless perhaps they already have a fear of in close places, or fear of captivity.

[sir_pudding]

Originally Posted by zuldan

and for the Anti-Psi "coffee break" example

i think once there dead there dead.

Cancellation is based on Neutralize and intended to temporarily suppress abilities. It seems way overpowered to give it such a significant effect for free.

[David Johnston2]

Originally Posted by Ragabash Moon

Right, but what if say a person uses active Anti-Psi, kills you, then goes out for coffee? Does your power kick back in?

What activie Anti-Psi?

Or, to use your example, if you OPEN THE CAN, do you get out?

If someone else does (or the containment runs out of power), then yes, you're loose. That's how Sealed Evil In A Can works.

so if Anti-Psi could CONTAIN Her, but not actually truly keep her from EVER dying, that would be preferable..

Psi technology is easier to use for this purpose.