Alternate History: No Christian Fundamentalism

[Flyndaran]

Originally Posted by combatmedic

They aren't Christians and they are a minsicule minority.

You don't get to call someone not a member of faith X. Only they get to define it. Yes, that means Catholics can't call Protestants not real Christians, and you can't call someone that doesn't believe Jesus did magic not a Christian.
It's all subjective opinion and unverifiable faith. By definition, those can't be disputed logically by me or you.

[combatmedic]

Originally Posted by Flyndaran

You don't get to call someone not a member of faith X. Only they get to define it. Yes, that means Catholics can't call Protestants not real Christians, and you can't call someone that doesn't believe Jesus did magic not a Christian.
It's all subjective opinion and unverifiable faith. By definition, those can't be disputed logically by me or you.

Actually, yes, Flynn I do get to do that. Because if we cannot make common sense, well-grounded distinctions and definitions based on actual historical facts and established religious ideas, then we can't have this conversation at all.
So please stop being PC and telling me what I can and cannot think or say.

[Grouchy Chris]

Originally Posted by Flyndaran

You don't get to call someone not a member of faith X. Only they get to define it. Yes, that means Catholics can't call Protestants not real Christians, and you can't call someone that doesn't believe Jesus did magic not a Christian.
It's all subjective opinion and unverifiable faith. By definition, those can't be disputed logically by me or you.

Leaving aside the question of whether we have to accept everyone's self-identification in religion, the Unitarian Universalists don't identify themselves as a Christian sect. Yes, some of them are Christians, but apparently most do not consider themselves so. Saying that the Unitarian Universalists aren't Christian is a lot like saying that the United Auto Workers aren't Christian. Yes, some of them are, but that's not what they're all about.

[jeff_wilson]

Originally Posted by Flyndaran

You don't get to call someone not a member of faith X. Only they get to define it. Yes, that means Catholics can't call Protestants not real Christians, and you can't call someone that doesn't believe Jesus did magic not a Christian.

When you distinguish between people of Protestant faiths and people of Catholic faiths, that's calling some people not a member of faith X, where X is Protestantism or Catholicism.

[Anders]

Originally Posted by combatmedic

Your list in in error,bro..

Only the first item and half the second item on your list are 'fundamentalist.'

The other three (and part of the second) item are basic artciles of faith in the religion, things that all Christians everywhere believe or at least profess.
I'm not talking about ancient Gnostics and some other minority heretics, mind you, but the historical Christian Church-- including all major denominations.

The first item flows from Luther’s idea of Sola Scriptura, but marries it to a certain style of hermeneutics that Luther didn’t actually use.

The second item relates to the first and gets two different parts of Scripture mixed up. Genesis may be interpreted as a poetic or mythological creation story that imparts important truths. Christ's miracles are historical events that were witnessed by historical persons.

I got the list from Wikipedia... but yeah, this was meant to be the Christian fundamentals, the things you had to believe to be Christian.