[OOC] Dungeon Fantasy -- Gorefest Dungeon - Page 11

zoncxs · 01-09-2013, 01:02 PM

Golem number two can not step back due to taking all out attack maneuver.

Stripe · 01-09-2013, 01:14 PM

Too right. Strange that AoA is more restrictive than Attack in that regard.

zoncxs · 01-09-2013, 02:32 PM

another note, I am suppose to be right next to golem 2, not 1 hex away. it failed its retreating parry before and so did not move back 1 hex.

which would mean it needed to take a ready maneuver to switch its reach from 2 yards to 1 yard to hit me with that all out attack. other wise you would need to change that into a normal attack and drop the deceptive part so everything is the same :)

Stripe · 01-09-2013, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by zoncxs

it failed its retreating parry before and so did not move back 1 hex.

That's not how I understand the retreating option, p. B377: "Your step back takes place immediately. It is assumed to occur as your foe is striking."

Otherwise, if you failed, say, a Dodge and Drop, you wouldn't drop if you failed the active defense roll? I don't think that's how it is.

Open for discussion, though!

ErhnamDJ · 01-09-2013, 04:35 PM

Yeah, you still move back even if you fail the defense.

Jovus · 01-09-2013, 04:43 PM

However, if the attacker wishes, he can pursue with a step, deducting it from his next turn's movement.

Stripe · 01-09-2013, 04:45 PM

^True that, as long as his maneuver allows and he didn't already do so.

Stripe · 01-09-2013, 04:52 PM

Just got a reply from PK:

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Greetings! I have a few questions about flying and high-speed combat.

Take a Foul Bat from p. 23 of DF 2. Speed 6.5, Move 13 (Air). It is fighting Joe the Fighter with a dagger and skill 16.

As long as the Bat doesn't go more than 13 hexes in a turn, it doesn't use any of the high-speed rules, right?

Right.

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So, on its first turn, it can take a Move maneuver and go 13 hexes, right?

Right.

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Let's say the bat perched on the ground 12 hexes from Joe. It takes a Move and Attack and flies 12 hexes to Joe and bites him. Is that fine? Anything I missed there?

To bite him, it rolls at -4 for the Move and attack. No other modifiers for flying or speed/range or anything. Right? Wrong?

Its skill also cannot exceed 9. Otherwise, right.

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Now it's in close combat with Joe, who attacks with his dagger at no modifier for speed/range, right? Or, is he at -5 for the bat's speed?

No modifier. Speed only applies to ranged attacks.

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Next turn, the bat can attack again? If so, doesn't that mean it's hovering in place?

If not, what does the bat have to do?

I don't think I understand the question. The bat can do whatever it likes. It can stop (going from 13 to 0 in one turn is fine if your basic air Move is 13) and hover to attack him, sure. (As long as you don't have a problem with bats hovering. I don't know bats well enough to speak on whether that's realistic.) Or it could take another Move and Attack maneuver (perhaps biting on its way to fly away). Or it could Evaluate, or do anything else the GM thinks is appropriate.

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Can you talk a little bit more about these rules? Maybe provide a quick few rounds of example combat?

I don't have time to do so right now, no. But I'll be happy to answer further questions and clarify my answers if anything was unclear.

I'm going to follow it up with some questions about high-speed movement now.

zoncxs · 01-09-2013, 09:03 PM

you are right about retreat, I was thinking about grappling when I wrote that. >.<

Stripe · 01-09-2013, 10:11 PM

Wow. Sir H just avoided 22 points of damage to the face with a zero margin of success. XD

It's the bat's turn, I think, but I simply can't do it. Gotta sleep...

01-09-2013, 01:02 PM	#101
zoncxs Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: earth....I think.	Re: [OOC] Dungeon Fantasy -- Gorefest Dungeon Golem number two can not step back due to taking all out attack maneuver. __________________ Shen Shanlin Cryo Soldier Cris Jedi Zero Agent Chaos Octavian Kreel

01-09-2013, 01:14 PM	#102
Stripe Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Midwest, USA	Re: [OOC] Dungeon Fantasy -- Gorefest Dungeon Too right. Strange that AoA is more restrictive than Attack in that regard. __________________ . "How the heck am I supposed to justify that whatever I feel like doing at any particular moment is 'in character' if I can't say 'I'm chaotic evil!'"? —Jeff Freeman

01-09-2013, 02:32 PM	#103
zoncxs Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: earth....I think.	Re: [OOC] Dungeon Fantasy -- Gorefest Dungeon another note, I am suppose to be right next to golem 2, not 1 hex away. it failed its retreating parry before and so did not move back 1 hex. which would mean it needed to take a ready maneuver to switch its reach from 2 yards to 1 yard to hit me with that all out attack. other wise you would need to change that into a normal attack and drop the deceptive part so everything is the same :) __________________ Shen Shanlin Cryo Soldier Cris Jedi Zero Agent Chaos Octavian Kreel

01-09-2013, 04:35 PM	#105
ErhnamDJ Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: OK	Re: [OOC] Dungeon Fantasy -- Gorefest Dungeon Yeah, you still move back even if you fail the defense. __________________ "For the rays, to speak properly, are not colored. In them there is nothing else than a certain power and disposition to stir up a sensation of this or that color." —Isaac Newton, Optics My blog.

01-09-2013, 04:43 PM	#106
Jovus Join Date: Sep 2008	Re: [OOC] Dungeon Fantasy -- Gorefest Dungeon However, if the attacker wishes, he can pursue with a step, deducting it from his next turn's movement. __________________ Converting the Temple of Elemental Evil to GURPS Dungeon Fantasy ------ Jorrik Harrisson The Wiz

01-09-2013, 04:45 PM	#107
Stripe Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Midwest, USA	Re: [OOC] Dungeon Fantasy -- Gorefest Dungeon ^True that, as long as his maneuver allows and he didn't already do so. __________________ . "How the heck am I supposed to justify that whatever I feel like doing at any particular moment is 'in character' if I can't say 'I'm chaotic evil!'"? —Jeff Freeman

01-09-2013, 09:03 PM	#109
zoncxs Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: earth....I think.	Re: [OOC] Dungeon Fantasy -- Gorefest Dungeon you are right about retreat, I was thinking about grappling when I wrote that. >.< __________________ Shen Shanlin Cryo Soldier Cris Jedi Zero Agent Chaos Octavian Kreel

01-09-2013, 10:11 PM	#110
Stripe Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Midwest, USA	Re: [OOC] Dungeon Fantasy -- Gorefest Dungeon Wow. Sir H just avoided 22 points of damage to the face with a zero margin of success. XD It's the bat's turn, I think, but I simply can't do it. Gotta sleep... __________________ . "How the heck am I supposed to justify that whatever I feel like doing at any particular moment is 'in character' if I can't say 'I'm chaotic evil!'"? —Jeff Freeman