[MH] Problem with the Lycanthrope (Tiger) template

Derago · 07-16-2013, 03:22 AM

Okay, this is the second Monster Hunter thread I have going due to me being new to the setting...

One of my players made a Weretiger. When I looked at the template for it on page 50 in MH1, the tiger seemed too good to be right. It has great bonuses with few disadvantages, so I decided to total up the point value of that form and came up with 187 points (when it's supposed to be 125)! I did it really quick on GCA, but I think I got everything....

Could I get a second opinion? Is it correct as written and I just missed something?

NOTE: I even tried making the tiger SM:1 for three discount to strength - that's how I was only 187 points instead of 197.

SCAR · 07-16-2013, 04:21 AM

Quadruped includes No Fine Manipulators, which gives a -40% discount on the cost of the ST (+10) and DX (+4), which saves 72 points which actually brings your 197 down to 125! Would that be it?

Derago · 07-16-2013, 05:58 AM

I missed that ruling somehow, so that would bring the cost to 127 (according to GCA), when I use SM:1 to further reduce the cost for strength. Almost there, but I'm still 2 points too high.

PK · 07-16-2013, 06:28 AM

The tiger is SM 0; see this thread for details and reasons.

In tiger form, the lycanthrope gains:

ST+10 (NFM, -40%) [60]
DX+4 (NFM, -40%) [48]
HT+2 [20]
Cannot Speak [-15]
Claws (Sharp) [5]
Discriminatory Smell [15]
DR 4 (Tough Skin, -40%) [12]
Fur [1]
Night Vision 2 [2]
Quadruped [-35]
Silence 2 [10]
Teeth (Fangs) [2]

Those add up to 125 for me. I'm not sure what the difference for you is, but since I trust GCA's math, I suspect you're entering something incorrectly.

SCAR · 07-16-2013, 07:04 AM

I looking up the traits in Basic:Characters, added it up by hand, and got exactly what PK listed above, for each trait and the total.

Derago · 07-16-2013, 03:53 PM

I see where I went wrong - I didn't put the NFM for DX. I Put the SM to 1 to save on strength cost because I wanted to add Enhanced Move .5 to the template when I came across my poor GCA skills.

Thank you!

07-16-2013, 03:22 AM	#1
Derago Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Madison, AL	[MH] Problem with the Lycanthrope (Tiger) template Okay, this is the second Monster Hunter thread I have going due to me being new to the setting... One of my players made a Weretiger. When I looked at the template for it on page 50 in MH1, the tiger seemed too good to be right. It has great bonuses with few disadvantages, so I decided to total up the point value of that form and came up with 187 points (when it's supposed to be 125)! I did it really quick on GCA, but I think I got everything.... Could I get a second opinion? Is it correct as written and I just missed something? NOTE: I even tried making the tiger SM:1 for three discount to strength - that's how I was only 187 points instead of 197.

07-16-2013, 04:21 AM	#2
SCAR Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Yorkshire, UK	Re: [MH] Problem with the Lycanthrope (Tiger) template Quadruped includes No Fine Manipulators, which gives a -40% discount on the cost of the ST (+10) and DX (+4), which saves 72 points which actually brings your 197 down to 125! Would that be it?

07-16-2013, 05:58 AM	#3
Derago Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Madison, AL	Re: [MH] Problem with the Lycanthrope (Tiger) template I missed that ruling somehow, so that would bring the cost to 127 (according to GCA), when I use SM:1 to further reduce the cost for strength. Almost there, but I'm still 2 points too high.

07-16-2013, 06:28 AM	#4
PK Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Dobbstown Sane Asylum	Re: [MH] Problem with the Lycanthrope (Tiger) template The tiger is SM 0; see this thread for details and reasons. In tiger form, the lycanthrope gains: ST+10 (NFM, -40%) [60] DX+4 (NFM, -40%) [48] HT+2 [20] Cannot Speak [-15] Claws (Sharp) [5] Discriminatory Smell [15] DR 4 (Tough Skin, -40%) [12] Fur [1] Night Vision 2 [2] Quadruped [-35] Silence 2 [10] Teeth (Fangs) [2] Those add up to 125 for me. I'm not sure what the difference for you is, but since I trust GCA's math, I suspect you're entering something incorrectly. __________________ Reverend Pee Kitty of the Order Malkavian-Dobbsian (Twitter) (LJ) MyGURPS: My house rules and *GURPS* resources. #SJGamesLive: I answered questions about *GURPS After the End* and more! {Watch Video} - {Read Transcript}

07-16-2013, 07:04 AM	#5
SCAR Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Yorkshire, UK	Re: [MH] Problem with the Lycanthrope (Tiger) template I looking up the traits in Basic:Characters, added it up by hand, and got exactly what PK listed above, for each trait and the total.

07-16-2013, 03:53 PM	#6
Derago Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Madison, AL	Re: [MH] Problem with the Lycanthrope (Tiger) template I see where I went wrong - I didn't put the NFM for DX. I Put the SM to 1 to save on strength cost because I wanted to add Enhanced Move .5 to the template when I came across my poor GCA skills. Thank you!