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Old 05-03-2021, 08:49 PM   #21
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Default Re: Finer granularity for small calibers?

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It's actually 2d+2 pi- from a pistol and 3d pi- from a SMG.
Nope, that's not the Mauser round. Those stats are for the dimensionally identical Tokarev version. I have seen quotes that the T-33 gets an extra 100 fps over the C-96 from a shorter barrel with its' hotter ammo. HT doesn't seem to agree and I don't fight with HANS any more about his research. :)

the table on HT p.101 is quite plain that the C96 is 3D-1 and I don't believe Adventure Guns or Pulp Guns change that.
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Old 05-04-2021, 02:17 AM   #22
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Nope, that's not the Mauser round. Those stats are for the dimensionally identical Tokarev version. I have seen quotes that the T-33 gets an extra 100 fps over the C-96 from a shorter barrel with its' hotter ammo. HT doesn't seem to agree and I don't fight with HANS any more about his research. :)

the table on HT p.101 is quite plain that the C96 is 3D-1 and I don't believe Adventure Guns or Pulp Guns change that.
You're right that I skipped the 'Mauser' in your post. However...

It's also quite plain that the 7.62x25mm Tokarev does 2d+2 pi- when fired from the TT-33. It's right there on the same table on HT101. This is a bit of an issue, given that (as you say) the Tokarev was loaded quite a bit hotter than the Mauser ammo.

One of both or those stats must be wrong.
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Old 05-04-2021, 05:00 PM   #23
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Very interesting discussion. Thanks for the replies.
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Old 05-04-2021, 05:42 PM   #24
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It's also quite plain that the 7.62x25mm Tokarev does 2d+2 pi- when fired from the TT-33. It's right there on the same table on HT101. This is a bit of an issue, given that (as you say) the Tokarev was loaded quite a bit hotter than the Mauser ammo.

One of both or those stats must be wrong.
Going by the Adjusting Damage rules in HT, 2d+2 could be anywhere from 2.43 dice to 2.64 dice. Back-of-envelope calculations suggest that is something like an 18% difference in kinetic energy between the lowest bound of 2d+2 and the highest, so it should be possibly for a notably more powerful round to not qualify for even +1 damage.
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