New Reality Seeds

[malloyd]

Originally Posted by patchwork

If it works like the SCs we know, then it really doesn't cost anything to generate power, and it may not be possible, never mind economic, to meter it at source.

Um, where is that coming from anyway? Superconductors allow energy storage, they have basically no effect at all on energy *generation*, and while they will allow you to do some power transformation in the sense the input and output rates don't have to match up, the real ones all have an upper power limit - if only the superconducting limiting current times the breakdown voltage of the air (or whatever) between the terminals.

[David Johnston2]

Originally Posted by fchase8

If this world is discovered at this point, Infinity would be confused between wanting to oppose the Nazis but not knowing which side to back; unfortunately, the strongest would probably be Stalin-backed communists.

And who knows who Centrum would back? Socialists or Anglophone monarchists? Possibly Interworld agents would try some ridiculous team-up of the two, not realizing how impossible that would be. And Interworld would be surprised at how vociferous Infinity's anti-Nazi program is.

There's no reason why Infinity would back any side. Infinity is worried by Nazis who have a shot at taking over the world and then maybe discovering some kind of quantum travel particularly since Nazis tend to dabble with magic and weird science and thus have a better shot at it than say worlds where Communist Russia takes over. But Nazis who are just one of the factions destroying Germany? Not a threat.

[Drifter]

Originally Posted by David Johnston2

There's no reason why Infinity would back any side. Infinity is worried by Nazis who have a shot at taking over the world and then maybe discovering some kind of quantum travel particularly since Nazis tend to dabble with magic and weird science and thus have a better shot at it than say worlds where Communist Russia takes over. But Nazis who are just one of the factions destroying Germany? Not a threat.

Agreed. And it really depends on the kind of campaign you are running. I may have said this before: but you have to decide how many timelines your version of Centrum/Homeline/etc., have access to. If its a handful, your Homeline nations besides Infinity, have a lot more resources to throw at a "problem" - or at least meddle in a world like this.
If its hundreds to thousands of timelines - this is a footnote and won't even rate a full team unless, as David says, it starts moving towards quantum travel level tech. And then its probably resolved in the fastest, least time consuming way.

[fchase8]

Originally Posted by David Johnston2

There's no reason why Infinity would back any side. Infinity is worried by Nazis who have a shot at taking over the world and then maybe discovering some kind of quantum travel particularly since Nazis tend to dabble with magic and weird science and thus have a better shot at it than say worlds where Communist Russia takes over. But Nazis who are just one of the factions destroying Germany? Not a threat.

Originally Posted by Drifter

Agreed. And it really depends on the kind of campaign you are running. I may have said this before: but you have to decide how many timelines your version of Centrum/Homeline/etc., have access to. If its a handful, your Homeline nations besides Infinity, have a lot more resources to throw at a "problem" - or at least meddle in a world like this.
If its hundreds to thousands of timelines - this is a footnote and won't even rate a full team unless, as David says, it starts moving towards quantum travel level tech. And then its probably resolved in the fastest, least time consuming way.

True, this wouldn't be a major issue for Infinity. But the prospect of Nazis would make it more important on Homeline than it would otherwise deserve. And the idea of stopping Nazis before they ascend to power would be very attractive to idealistic I-Cops.


Perhaps Homeline Germany would get involved direct, with its own parachronic capability. Obviously way smaller than Infinity (or even such Homeline nations as U.S.A. and Russia), but a German parachronic force would only focus on a few timelines where they knew they could 'do good' (the post-war German reticence to get involved would likely still be present on Homeline).

But a pre-Nazi German civil war could be just what Homeline Germany would get involved in: home turf, stop Nazis, relatively modern, and could be done with just a handful of agents.

And while Homeline Germany probably wouldn't have a great parachronic intelligence service (not as good as the CIA or KGB), they would have good parachronic tech from their civilian use. The agents could be green, but using the best Infinity tech there is.


If Centrum gets involved, and can be shown to be doing so to Infinity, I-Cops might get involved regardless of how important the timeline is. Just the whiff of 'Centrum teams up with Nazis', even weak alternate Nazis and only a few Interworld agents, could be enough to connect with Infinity nightmares.

[TGLS]

Or maybe the Nazis from Reich-5 are getting involved, and Infinity decides they have to do something.

[dcarson]

Modern day espionage gear and crypto cracking gear would let just a few agents gather a lot of useful intel. Send anonymously to the Nazi enemies. The agents on that timeline could do it without official orders if needed.

[Drifter]

Originally Posted by TGLS

Or maybe the Nazis from Reich-5 are getting involved, and Infinity decides they have to do something.

Of course. This might be a front of a larger reality war, with R5 hunting down and aiding Nazi worlds, and Homeline fighting it.

I'm not sure if Germany would be the main government hunting down (non-R5) Nazis though. Israel and the Mossad would have a great interest in hunting Nazis. They may, or may not, work with Germany and the US to track down R5 operations, as well as garden variety Nazi survival worlds.

[PTTG]

Might be interesting to have a worldline where the Nazis won in Europe, but then underwent a decades-long series of reforms. It's now 2000 and the current government is basically a liberal democracy (though still NAZI in name), trades with the USA and Britain, and quietly acknowledges that "mistakes were made" in the past. Reich-5 would despise them, Homeline would be... very complex... and centrum would be quite upset about them not speaking English and being too strong for the Allies to overcome.

[patchwork]

Originally Posted by Drifter

Of course. This might be a front of a larger reality war, with R5 hunting down and aiding Nazi worlds, and Homeline fighting it.

I'm not sure if Germany would be the main government hunting down (non-R5) Nazis though. Israel and the Mossad would have a great interest in hunting Nazis. They may, or may not, work with Germany and the US to track down R5 operations, as well as garden variety Nazi survival worlds.

Israel is something of a pariah state on Homeline for precisely this reason; they assert a right to act unilaterally act to protect all Jews on all timelines, which means Infinity won't let them anywhere near a projector; they're confined to Quantum 5. Which is not to say other people are uninterested in neutralizing Nazis, but the ability to play on a team is important.

[Drifter]

Originally Posted by patchwork

Israel is something of a pariah state on Homeline for precisely this reason; they assert a right to act unilaterally act to protect all Jews on all timelines, which means Infinity won't let them anywhere near a projector; they're confined to Quantum 5. Which is not to say other people are uninterested in neutralizing Nazis, but the ability to play on a team is important.

Well, per page 43 of Infinite Worlds, Israel isn't a pariah state. It hasn't signed the Interworld Treaty, but it IS capable of sending Mossad agents where it needs to. And it is able to bring in refugees from parrallels that have endangered Jews. Arab states don't like it, and I assume Infinity isn't very happy about the situation either, as it is in direct violation of it's immigration policies. The US is firmly behind Israel on this, so that's not exactly pariah status.

Its probably the case that Israel hitches a ride with American forces whenever it wants to. And Infinity is smart enough to "not notice" this sort of thing. Infinity probably doesn't want to directly or indirectly challenge US policy on this issue, at least.

Remember Homeline isn't this/our timeline. While history matched up until the invention of interworld travel, that timeline changed after that. Probably for the better in most cases, if the economy was infused with outtime booty/resources/etc. Homeline Arab/Israeli relations are obviously still strained, they might not be as deadly as they are in our timeline.