01-26-2013, 04:53 PM | #41 | |
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Medford, MA
|
Re: [DF] Bard Song Terror - does Bardic Talent help?
Quote:
That really seems like you need Compartmentalized Mind for that. |
|
01-26-2013, 04:57 PM | #42 | ||
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Canada
|
Re: [DF] Bard Song Terror - does Bardic Talent help?
Quote:
Quote:
Round 1: Bravery (by, I don't know, playing the maraccas) Round 2: Terror (by screaming heavy metal lyrics) Bravery continues as long as the bard commits to shaking those maraccas. Round 3 and subsequent rounds: Terror and Bravery continue as long as the bard continues shaking those maraccas and screaming those lyrics. If he has some ankle bells he might be able to pull off a third effect :)
__________________
All about Size Modifier; Unified Hit Location Table A Wiki for my F2F Group A neglected GURPS blog |
||
01-26-2013, 05:04 PM | #43 |
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: OK
|
Re: [DF] Bard Song Terror - does Bardic Talent help?
It doesn't make any sense for it to require an action to play an instrument or to sing. If it takes your entire action to maintain an effect, then that would be a much larger limitation.
Besides, people in real life can play an instrument or sing while doing other things. Those people don't have Compartmentalized Mind or ATR, do they? This is something we need rules for. I've been ignoring it, though, in my games, and allowing the bard to do this stuff at no penalty. I don't ask for any rolls to see if he succeeds in singing. That would be a big nuisance. I get that there should be a penalty to sing and fight at the same time, but that's going to introduce an awful lot of problems for what is only a minor limitation. And this is Dungeon Fantasy we're talking about. It's not like we're worrying over the minutiae with other stuff. If we're not going to use the bleeding rules, or the damage to shields rules, then I don't think we need to worry about bards doing multiple things at once. At most, I would call it a ten point advantage to ignore. Call it Compartmentalized Mind (Only to ignore stuff that would cause annoying bardic penalties, -80%) [10] if you like.
__________________
"For the rays, to speak properly, are not colored. In them there is nothing else than a certain power and disposition to stir up a sensation of this or that color." —Isaac Newton, Optics My blog. |
01-26-2013, 05:25 PM | #44 | |
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Medford, MA
|
Re: [DF] Bard Song Terror - does Bardic Talent help?
Quote:
|
|
01-26-2013, 05:48 PM | #45 |
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Medford, MA
|
Re: [DF] Bard Song Terror - does Bardic Talent help?
I was reminded of this bit from DF11, p. 20.
"A bard can use only one Song at a time. He may stop playing and coast on the results he has achieved, but if he switches Songs, the effects of the previous one end instantly. To reflect this drawback, he pays full cost for his most expensive Song but merely 1/5 cost (rounded up) for each of the others. Should he later add or improve Songs, redo this calculation." Which states that Bards cannot have more than one song active at a time. Does this apply to spells with the Song limitation as well? If so, then I suppose you can't play one song on the maracas and another with the voice. (Bruno, I want you to know that I'm now imagining Ricky Ricardo doing some very strange Bardic things) |
01-26-2013, 05:58 PM | #46 | |
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: OK
|
Re: [DF] Bard Song Terror - does Bardic Talent help?
Quote:
__________________
"For the rays, to speak properly, are not colored. In them there is nothing else than a certain power and disposition to stir up a sensation of this or that color." —Isaac Newton, Optics My blog. |
|
01-26-2013, 06:42 PM | #47 |
Join Date: May 2011
|
Re: [DF] Bard Song Terror - does Bardic Talent help?
Bards use spells with the music limitation as well as having access to spell-like effects as alternate abilities. It appears to me that these songs are a sort of spells-as-powers as alternative abilities to Bardic Talent. The Bardic Talent is prerequisite to casting the more traditional spells.
I'd rule that spells cast via Bardic Talent that require maintenance expire as soon as a Bard Song is used. Spells with durations might continue, however. Bravery lasts one hour, and cannot be maintained. I look at duration as the effect of the spell, independent of what happens to the caster, so I would rule that Bravery continues, even if the caster switches his active Alternate Ability or if he dies. |
01-27-2013, 06:17 AM | #48 | ||||
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: OK
|
Re: [DF] Bard Song Terror - does Bardic Talent help?
Quote:
The Talent doesn't stop working while you use the songs and you don't get a price discount for your first song; you have to pay full price. If it was an AA of the Talent, then you would get a big discount on your first one. Which is a fine idea, mind, and I would prefer for it to work that way. But that's not how it works. Also, those songs cost more than the Talent they have as a prerequisite, so obviously they're not AAs. Quote:
Quote:
I would rule, then, that you only need to sing to cast the spell in the first place, and that additional singing is not required to maintain bard spells. I think that's the correct interpretation, and that's what I was assuming originally when I suggested using Bravery with the Terror power. Just look at what it says for Bardic Talent: Quote:
Where the need to sing or play an instrument comes in is with the abilities with the Bard-Song modifier on them, which works differently from the song limitation which they have on their Magery. That stuff under Bard-Song, then, only applies to those abilities with that modifier. Not to his spells. And we still need rules for fighting while singing or playing an instrument, or doing two things at once. But oh well. Therefore, under the clear reading of the text, the bard can maintain his spells as normal, maintain multiple spells, and do everything else as a wizard. The only difference with his spells is that he never ignores the need to speak as a ritual, and that speaking must be in a musical form. That's all the song limitation does on his spells. We were getting the Song limitation for his Magery and the Bard-Song limitation for his powers mixed together earlier. They're two separate things and they each work very differently. So Bravery + Terror works just fine, and that's the best use of the Terror power if you don't mind spending the FP to cast the spell. Otherwise, just have the rest of the party plug their ears while you pound on your drums from a half a mile away or whatever. You can terrify an entire village with that thing. It's one of the best area attacks in the game.
__________________
"For the rays, to speak properly, are not colored. In them there is nothing else than a certain power and disposition to stir up a sensation of this or that color." —Isaac Newton, Optics My blog. Last edited by ErhnamDJ; 01-27-2013 at 06:39 AM. |
||||
01-27-2013, 03:41 PM | #49 |
Join Date: May 2011
|
Re: [DF] Bard Song Terror - does Bardic Talent help?
|
Tags |
bard, bard song, bardic talent, dungeon fantasy, terror |
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | |
|
|