11-25-2011, 01:51 PM | #31 | |
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Re: [LT] Question about Greathelms
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FWIW I had trouble finding any solid evidence for Byzantine lamellar beeing worn over mail. Lamellar was the "munitions armour" of the empire. A soldier wouldn't bother with lamellar if he could afford mail. Last edited by DanHoward; 11-25-2011 at 01:54 PM. |
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11-25-2011, 02:04 PM | #32 | |
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Re: [LT] Question about Greathelms
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This still makes multiple layers of mail useful, but not massively better than any other type of armour layered over mail. Better, yes, but also more expensive. I've seen a lot of it in museums and popular history books. If you say that that's all based on false data, you would be in a better position to know, of course.
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11-25-2011, 02:21 PM | #33 | |||
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Re: [LT] Question about Greathelms
There are some Byzantine armours in the upcoming armour loadouts book. This section was the hardest to research and find decent information. All of the main secondary sources conflicted with each other. There is nothing that I could find in the primary sources that supported the argument that lamellar was worn over mail.
Timothy Dawson seems to be the main source that many other secondary sources relied on. He wrote this in his Osprey publication Quote:
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The first lance missed him completely because his horse moved. Alexios parried the second lance with his sword. The third lance missed because Alexios ducked out of the way. No mention of armour at all, except for his helmet being knocked off his head. He would have survived even if he was naked. She dosen't describe Alexios' armour anywhere else in her work either so I don't know where Dawson gets "Alexios was protected by layers of padding, iron lamellar and possibly also mail" I kept searching the sources and found another account from a completely different battle 24 years earlier that involved a completely different character, Isaac. Quote:
It seems to me that Dawson garbled two completely unrelated accounts, neither of which mention what sort of armour is being worn. Last edited by DanHoward; 11-25-2011 at 02:45 PM. |
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11-25-2011, 02:27 PM | #34 |
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Re: [LT] Question about Greathelms
I've been thinking whether layered armour, given that both layers will not have a deflective effects at once and there is only one layer of padding, ought not have a -1 penalty to the total DR. Especially appropriate combinations could dispense with this penalty at the GM's option.
Does that seem realistic?
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11-25-2011, 02:43 PM | #35 |
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Re: [LT] Question about Greathelms
Seems like a simple and reasonable quick fix.
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11-26-2011, 01:32 PM | #36 | |
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Re: [LT] Question about Greathelms
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http://www.myarmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=11664 I'm pretty sure there are some in the Maceijowski Bible too. |
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11-26-2011, 01:48 PM | #37 |
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Re: [LT] Question about Greathelms
Like the look of those, I'll definitely have to come up with a way to include more scale armor in my current game (probably due to scale mass production).
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