11-17-2022, 09:16 PM | #11 | |
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Re: Redundent advantages?
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But yes, I agree with the "you get what you pay for", so I would say those other traits would be mandatory in these cases |
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11-17-2022, 09:22 PM | #12 | |
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Oh, speaking about oozes I remembered about one guy that made an ooze farm, and designed oozes to clean the teeth and some other useful purposes, I gotta post that some other day |
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11-18-2022, 12:22 AM | #13 | |
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11-18-2022, 12:36 AM | #14 | |
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In fact IQ 8 (IQ-2) is the defacto IQ for undead — even skeletons (Magic p 152; Zombies p 101)
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11-18-2022, 12:46 AM | #15 | |
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So when did IQ 0 stop meaning "mindless" and started meaning "nonsentient"?
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11-19-2022, 01:28 PM | #16 |
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Re: Redundent advantages?
Should that mean Cannot Learn is a prereq for IQ 0 ?
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11-19-2022, 01:36 PM | #17 | |
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F58 has an IQ0 Herecine which clearly has some limited mind. It is able to make attacks: 1) Affliction at 4 yards 2) Binding at 2 yards 3) punching or grappling at C (it has manipulators unless they forgot to add No Manipultors) 4) biting (it has a mouth) Not headbutts or kicking since it has No Head and No Legs (Sessile) though It notable even has 4 levels of the "Hard to Subdue" advantage, which is something you take to resist unconsciousness - pointless if you're not conscious in the first place. Not sure if sessile creatures are able to do slams, if so it would only be 0-yard ones. |
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11-19-2022, 08:10 PM | #18 |
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Re: Redundent advantages?
Generally speaking anything capable of taking actions under its own volition is also able to have those actions be influenced by something else.
The original Basic set IQ 0 is less "immune to control" than "control is irrelevant" -- what does it even mean for a creature that is incapable of action to be frightened? |
11-19-2022, 08:35 PM | #19 | |
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Speaking of which, how about bacteria? Clearly it's IQ 0, and clearly they are capable of "acting"; granted, I dont think anyone would try to "mind control" a single bacteria, but that may be a conversation to be done about jellyfishes. I guess that in those cases it would be more like somebody else said above; to "control" a bacteria, you'd use some sort of "microbiology power", rather than a mental power, just like you wouldnt try to mind control a plant, but you would rather use a "plant spell", and those differences would probably be a 0 point feature |
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11-19-2022, 08:55 PM | #20 |
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Re: Redundent advantages?
Probably jellyfish but jellyfish are one of those creatures that do have a primitive neural network. They are well above sponges evolutionarily speaking.
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