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Old 02-08-2010, 11:34 AM   #11
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Anyone want to take a stab at the GURPS specs for the Russian gun?
Is that required? Isn't the silenced special 9mm already in High Tech?
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Old 02-08-2010, 02:05 PM   #12
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Is that required? Isn't the silenced special 9mm already in High Tech?
Ah yes. I've just found it here on HT100. According to HT165, it already includes the benefits of subsonic ammo. But it appears that it can stack with silent ammo (also HT165). Would you agree?
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Ah yes. I've just found it here on HT100. According to HT165, it already includes the benefits of subsonic ammo. But it appears that it can stack with silent ammo (also HT165). Would you agree?
My books are at home, but this weapon is so mind-bogglingly purpose built I'd be loathe to apply ANY alterations to the internal workings.

The ammo for this is purpose-built, using a piston-driven mechanism to contain powder gas completely, if I understand it. The ammo is both silent, subsonic, and utterly useless in anything but this gun or one designed just like it.
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Old 02-09-2010, 11:35 AM   #14
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My books are at home, but this weapon is so mind-bogglingly purpose built I'd be loathe to apply ANY alterations to the internal workings.

The ammo for this is purpose-built, using a piston-driven mechanism to contain powder gas completely, if I understand it. The ammo is both silent, subsonic, and utterly useless in anything but this gun or one designed just like it.
IIRC, the silent pistol stats give a -3 to Hearing rolls. The silent ammo stats use the 16 yard line on the HT hearing table. Since 9mm usually uses the 512 line, the ammo is effectively a -5 to Hearing. So unless I'm mistaken, you're better off using silent ammo in a normal gun than using the silent pistol if they're not stackable. If they are stackable, you'd use the 2 yard line! That seems excessively silent. I'm not sure what the ruling is here.
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Old 02-09-2010, 11:42 AM   #15
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Ah yes. I've just found it here on HT100.
No, you didn't. The pistol in question is the PSS. You found the PB.

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According to HT165, it already includes the benefits of subsonic ammo. But it appears that it can stack with silent ammo (also HT165). Would you agree?
No. Silent and Subsonic don't stack. The Silent rounds include the Subsonic feature.

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Old 02-09-2010, 04:08 PM   #16
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No, you didn't. The pistol in question is the PSS. You found the PB.
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OK. So where is it? Are there stats or would you care to provide them?
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No. Silent and Subsonic don't stack. The Silent rounds include the Subsonic feature.
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I know. But that was not my question. My question was, do the benefits of the silent gun stack with the benefits of silent ammo? Read my previous post to see why I ask.

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OK. So where is it? Are there stats or would you care to provide them?
It's not in a published book so far.

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I know. But that was not my question. My question was, do the benefits of the silent gun stack with the benefits of silent ammo? Read my previous post to see why I ask.
The "silent gun" in the video, the PSS, uses silent ammo. That's why it's silent. It's not silent because it's magic.
The gun in High-Tech, the PB, uses subsonic ammo (9x18mm Makarov, specifically mentioned under Subsonic Ammunition in High-Tech, p. 165). It can't use silent ammo because silent ammo, usually, requires special cartridges. That's why it says "Most require a specially designed weapon to fire them" under Silent Ammunition (High-Tech, p. 165).

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