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I wasn't being exhaustive explaining these steps, because I thought that they would be looked upon with some discomfort. In the first part there should be, in addition to what you're saying, something similar to a Pact and/or the gifting of a Power Investiture, for representing the transmission not only of mental concepts but of a supernatural element or "blessing" to the disciple through the master. Some rituals of initiation are subtle. Blessed could be included in the first stage, too. Some form of Disciplines of Faith should be included in the second and third stages. True Faith could pertain to the third stage, as a partial achievement (it could be too in the second, though). Quote:
"Seeing directly that the only reality is the Brahman" is one of the ways of expressing the effective knowledge and identification with the Absolute, which is operated through the "acquisition" of transcendent knowledge, indeed absolute knowledge leads to Enlightenment. It is advaita (without a second, non-dual, there's no subject-object polarity) because by being absolute, it "swallows" or "anihilates" the human subject, or in other words, the human identity - the ego . . . which in itself is a limitation and an altered state of the Consciousness (another term for the Absolute), and only is ego and operates as such when it holds the conviction of its autonomy regarding the Supreme Self or Brahman. However, until the time of the "anihilation" or "release" or "Enlightenment" (the three are the same in this context), the aspirant (the subject) was "pursuing" the knowledge and assimilating it as an object. Is in the final step where the distinction between subject and object is permanently abolished. But this absolute knowledge acquired through Gnosis isn't like the scattered notions that we can store in our memory. It's tightly related with this view on Intelligence: Quote:
Don't get angry with me for answering to this, but from the point of view of the metaphysics I'm talking about, Aristotle's thinking isn't particularly relevant, in the same way that Kant and many others aren't relevant. And in several ways, some of the Aristotle's views and philosophies are related with materialism, even if other parts of his theories were used for supporting Christian Scholasticism. OTOH, Aristotle and the Greek Classics are relatively "new" to history. "Sophisticated thinking" started IMHO much before, even in times in which anthropologists still are imagining the so-called "pre-logical" thought, and the Classic philosophers added for certain many distinctive things. Aristotle's philosophy, in various ways, remains as part of the modern mentality, and is viewed as one of its precedents.
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Then we are agreeing here.
I would add to that that the modernity -the rupture with the traditional world-views- started in the Classical times, was stopped or "half corrected" during part of the Middle Ages, then resurged again in the Renaissance and has prevailed until today, affecting later to the whole planet, for good and for bad. Of course, in very general lines.
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Some men are slaves by nature. The form of man is male, and is supplied by the father; the mother supplies only the matter, and proper development results in a male child; female children are usefully defective. Objects at rest tend to remain at rest, and objects in motion tend to come to rest. Every object has a natural place. Goods ideally exchange for other goods of equal value, and no one gains from making an exchange.
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11-30-2010, 03:46 PM | #39 |
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These are actually closely related. It's Aristoleian physics closest approach to the concept of forces. Things slow down not because there is a frictional force acting on them, but because their natural state is to be motionless. Things fall or rise because their natural place is at a higher or lower level, bows snap back because the tips have been pulled away from their natural place and so on.
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Nor is this just a "subjective" estimate of value. Consider two villages, one of which grows wheat, while the other catches fish. Wheat has a lot of calories in relation to its amino acid content; to get sufficient protein, the farmers have to eat huge amounts of wheat. Conversely, fish has fewer calories for the same protein; to get enough calories, the fishermen have to eat a lot of fish. In each case, Liebig's Law of the Minimum comes into play to limit their numbers to those sustainable by the most constraining resource. But if they can trade, the farmers can get more protein from fish and the fishermen can get more calories from wheat, and they both are less limited; exactly the same amount of food can sustain larger populations in both villages, enough to support extra people to provide trade and transportation. In other words, trade functions as a virtual additional food source. Bill Stoddard |
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