03-25-2016, 12:41 PM | #11 | |
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Re: I still want better rules for shotguns
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It's the rapid fire bonus (Basic 373-374), with the additional considerations from Shotguns and Multiple Projectiles on Basic 409.
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03-25-2016, 12:46 PM | #12 | |
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Re: I still want better rules for shotguns
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As for rapid fire, it looks like I wouldn't have to address it really. Keep that bonus to hit table the same. |
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03-25-2016, 12:51 PM | #13 |
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Re: I still want better rules for shotguns
I do want to repeat that the complaint you've actually expressed here is addressed in Tactical Shooting, as I previously referenced.
Other than that, you haven't explained what you're trying to fix. I submit that making the number of pellets that hit per shell independent of range (beyond 2 yards) and target size is probably not a good design choice, though.
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03-25-2016, 12:56 PM | #14 | |
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Re: I still want better rules for shotguns
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As for number of shots that hit being independent of range... that's not true. It applies the range penalty to the number of pellets that hit. I forgot about size, but it would make sense to add the size modifier too. |
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03-25-2016, 01:02 PM | #15 | |
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Re: I still want better rules for shotguns
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RAW from the basic set is bad enough that my players avoid using shotguns entirely to avoid the headache. So the other problem I'm hoping to address is the one of complexity that stops my players from using a feature of the game. |
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03-25-2016, 01:04 PM | #16 | ||
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Uh. Is making it outright impossible to land any hits with buckshot beyond 50 yards an intended feature?
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03-25-2016, 01:06 PM | #17 | |
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Re: I still want better rules for shotguns
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I still have literally no information about your other complaints. Many things could be said about the shotgun rules, but I'm very much at a loss as to how complexity could be one of them. What is the actual issue, specifically?
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03-25-2016, 01:18 PM | #18 | |
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Your rules are possibly simpler, but they work noticeably worse than the standard rules.
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03-25-2016, 01:51 PM | #19 | |
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Re: I still want better rules for shotguns
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Beyond that, to me the rules for how many pellets hit in RAW fails to deal well with multiple shots. I really dislike the abstraction of saying "if you hit with some but not all of the pellets, just assume some are from each shot". Especially since out of 27 pellets for the "normal" shot gun means you'd have to hit by 26 to hit with all of the pellets. Maybe that's not a complexity issue. I'm stuck on the word complex because of the previous thread I guess. Lots of rules from tactical shooting were brought up (or at least from a supplement) that made it seem complicated. |
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03-25-2016, 01:53 PM | #20 |
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Re: I still want better rules for shotguns
Hmm... good point. So the number of pellets that hit needs work in the draft alternate rules. I appreciate the heads-up. I hadn't considered low pellet loads carefully enough.
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