06-24-2013, 02:41 PM | #1 |
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[Space, Spaceships] Mars Semi-Cycler?
I've been studying the idea of the Mars Cycler, and I have to say that it's a lot more complicated that it looks at first glance. Part of it is the orbital mechanics and the rest of it is the logistics. While the cycler itself would use much less ∆V that other Mars mission profiles, it's more than made up for by the "taxi" craft that shuttle passengers to and from the cycler during flybys . (Since the "taxis" would be much smaller than cycler, the absolute amount of propellant expended would be less.) Still, the idea of traveling on an interplanetary "Flying Dutchman" is a bit daunting.
I've come to prefer the idea of the free-return semi-cycler. Instead of using an orbit based on the Earth-Mars synodic period (780 days), the ship would use a free-return orbit of exactly 2 years (730.5 days) which would require two 3.16 mps burns to leave and re-enter Earth orbit, where it stay for 49.5 days being refueled and refurbished for the next mission. According to my calculations, the taxis would require a ∆V of 5.68 mps between the cycler and Mars orbit each way because the transfer orbit crosses that of Mars at an angle of 21.6 degrees. Below is my example of a TL9 cycler. Perdue-Class Medium Interplanetary Transport PILOTING/TL9 (LOW-PERFORMANCE SPACECRAFT) Code:
TL Spacecraft dST/dHP Hnd/SR HT Move LWt. Load SM Occ dDR Range Cost 9 Perdue 70 -4/5 13 0.0002G/10 mps 1,000 396.4 [1] +8 10ASV [2,3] 10 — $18.74M Power Points: +1 / -1 Space Performance: sAccel: 0.0002Gs/10 mps SHIP SYSTEMS Code:
FRONT [1] Armor - Metallic Laminate dDR 10 [2-3] Cargo Hold 100 Tons / SM+3 Bay Doors [4-6] Hangar Bay Cap.: 90 Tons / SM+5 / Launch: 50 Tons/min [Core] Control Room Computer: C6 / Comm/Sensor: 6 / 4 Stations Code:
CENTER [1] Armor - Metallic Laminate dDR 10 [2] External Clamp 1,000 Tons [3-6] Vehicle Dock 200 Ton Capacity / SM+0 [4] [Core] Habitat 6 Cabins Code:
REAR [1] Armor - Metallic Laminate dDR 10 [2†] Power Plant - Fission Reactor 1 Power Point / 50 yr Fuel [5] [3!] Reaction Engine - VASIMR Electric Rocket 0.0002Gs / 10 mps / 0.002Gs / 0.5 mps / 95 days Fuel [6,7] [4] Engine Room 1 Workspace [5] Fuel Tank 50 Tons of Hydrogen [6] Habitat 6 Cabins Design Switches, Features, & Notes: 4 Airlocks (Capacity: 4 people each), Refueling Cost: $100,000, Food Supplies: $15,000 [1] Load includes: 1.4*tons of Crew & Passengers, 15*tons of Standard Food (7,500*man-days / 750*days), 90*tons of Cargo Hold, 200*tons of Vehicle Dock, 90*tons of Hangar Bay [2] Plus 4 in Hibernation Chambers, [3] Crew Requirement (9 total): 4 Control Stations (1 Captain/Pilot, 1 Operations Officer, 1 Chief Engineering, 1 Navigator/Comm/Sensor Operator), 1 Technician, 2 Entertainment, 2 Lab Workers [4] Modular FUEL USED: [5] Fissionables, [6] Hydrogen (50 tons) PERFORMANCE PROFILES: [7] Space Profile #1 AUXILIARY CRAFT Code:
Qty. Ship Cost Mass 1 Sling Liner Passenger Barge $216k 30 1 Kobold Work Bug $1.12515M 30 1 Aurora Orbital Transfer Vehicle (OTV) $811.6k 30 Code:
Qty. Location Type SM Notes 3 Center [C] Cabin +0 6 person 1 Center [C] Bunkroom +0 4 person 1 Center [C] Establishment: Rec Room +0 20 patrons, 2 staff 1 Rear [6] Lab: Standard +0 2 person, +1 Skill 4 Rear [6] Hibernation Chamber +0 4 chambers 1 Rear [6] Sickbay +0 1 bed; +2 Skill 1 Rear [6] Minifac: Fabricator +0 $500 per Hr. 1 Rear [6] Steerage Cargo +0 5 tons Dalton "like/dislike/discuss?" Spence
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06-24-2013, 04:25 PM | #2 |
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Re: [Space, Spaceships] Mars Semi-Cycler?
The only saving you get by using a cycler setup is in the delta-V for the mass of stuff that doesn't have to leave the cycler: fixed life support plant, radiation shielding, and so on. Depending on the genre assumptions that may be important or trivial.
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06-24-2013, 06:58 PM | #3 |
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Re: [Space, Spaceships] Mars Semi-Cycler?
Why are you assessing Delta-V of differently sized vehicles against each other?
It's that total mass of propellant that's the proper measuring stick and you admit it would be less for a cycler.
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06-24-2013, 09:03 PM | #4 |
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Re: [Space, Spaceships] Mars Semi-Cycler?
Awesome write up!
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06-24-2013, 09:08 PM | #5 |
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Re: [Space, Spaceships] Mars Semi-Cycler?
Another option would be to snag a passing asteroid and nudge it into an appropriate orbit with mass drivers. As a plus, the mass of rock can serve as basic radiation shielding.
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06-25-2013, 03:41 AM | #6 |
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Re: [Space, Spaceships] Mars Semi-Cycler?
Only if the bits that aren't needed at either end are significantly massive. Which is true in some scenarios but not in all. I'm not objecting to the concept, just noting that you need to make some tech assumptions to make it work.
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06-25-2013, 06:47 AM | #7 | |
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Re: [Space, Spaceships] Mars Semi-Cycler?
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Setting up small (~150) colonies on the cycler asteroids would be an intermediate step between colonizing the Martian moons and reaching out into the Main Belt. Sure, it's isolated most of the time, but every couple of years you make a pass by Earth or Mars. You have a ready market for all the food you've grown and stockpiled in the interval in the hordes of colonists who briefly fill your otherwise empty barracks (or hotels, for the well-heeled). You trade food, lodging, and reaction mass for a share of the high-tech goods that are passing through. It actually makes better economic sense than most asteroid colony schemes. |
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06-25-2013, 08:47 AM | #8 |
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Re: [Space, Spaceships] Mars Semi-Cycler?
I was addressing the OP and his concerns.
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02-23-2017, 11:02 AM | #9 | |
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Re: [Space, Spaceships] Mars Semi-Cycler?
Here is an enlarged version of the Perdue-class Semi-Cycler.
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Re: [Space, Spaceships] Mars Semi-Cycler?
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