02-07-2009, 10:47 AM | #1 |
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Renaissance (and other historical) Martial Arts
Has anyone else worked on write ups for various historical European martial arts not covered in published stuff so far? I think it would be great to see what people have done.
So far I have only developed a style for light horsemen. You can take a look at it here- http://gamersworkshop.wikispaces.com...Fighting+Style Feel free to give me feedback.
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02-07-2009, 11:05 AM | #2 |
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Re: Renaissance (and other historical Martial Arts)
I love designing styles, I've created dozens to date just because it's fun.
The only ones I have that qualify as both "Historical" and "European" are a Pistol Dueling style ( http://forums.sjgames.com/showpost.p...1&postcount=13 ), and a somewhat tongue-in-cheek over-the-top Axe Throwing style: Axe Throwing 4 Skills: Fast-Draw (Axe), Thrown Weapon (Axe), Thrown Weapon Sport (Axe) Techniques: Feint (Thrown Weapon), Targeted Attack (Thrown Axe/Skull) Cinematic Skills: Blind Fighting, Kai, Power Blow, Throwing Art (In a cinematic campaign, this replaces Thrown Weapon (Axe) as a primary skill.) Cinematic Techniques: None. Perks: Drunken Fighting, Special Exercises (+1 Arm ST), Unusual Training (Tricky Shooting in a campaign that doesn’t usually allow it.), Unusual Training (Drunken Fighting in a realistic game, must be bought separately for each skill) Neither of which are remotely suited to a campaign set in the Renaissance. I look forward to seeing what this thread produces on that end.
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02-08-2009, 09:40 PM | #3 |
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Re: Renaissance (and other historical Martial Arts)
I am trying to think of a list of historical European fighting styles that haven't been covered yet for 4E. Here are a few that come to mind:
1. George Silvers style as distinct from that of the Masters of Defense. 2. Any of the individual German longsword styles. I think Joachim Meyer would be good. You could also build these into meta styles like the Masters of Defense one with a variety of weapons and techniques. 3. Some of the Elizabethan rapier masters might rate their own separate treatment. 4. Perhaps some military styles to represent the average fighting skills of a a landsknecht or a Spanish tercio member. Any other ideas?
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For me, the thing that would decide whether to right up a new version of one of the more generic Martial Arts 4E styles would be if a given master's style had a number of existing techniques, not part of the existing style, or one or two new ones that don't yet have rules yet. With Silver what I am looking for is a stand alone Elizabethan backsword style. I'll pick up the Stephen Hand book ( http://www.amazon.com/English-Swords.../dp/1891448277 ) and see whether it is different enough to warrant a write up. I certainly don't want to reinvent the wheel if it's not needed. As I have said before, I think the Martial Arts book is great and I am really glad that all of the cool WMA stuff made the cut.
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02-20-2009, 06:06 PM | #7 |
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Re: Renaissance (and other historical Martial Arts)
I've been doing some research and it seems like a post Late Medieval Knightly Combat Style for horsemen is probably warranted.
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04-11-2010, 11:23 AM | #8 |
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Re: Renaissance (and other historical Martial Arts)
As another chance to play with the Martial Arts rules, I did this write up. Dall'Agocchie is the Bolognese author who comes closest to 17th century Italian rapier, but his text is very clear and is available in translation. One warning: I have only a little experience with Bolognese fencing, and that on the earlier texts in the system.
Bolognese School (Dall'Agocchie) 2 points Skills: Rapier Techniques: Counterattack (Rapier), Feint (Rapier), Targeted Attack (Rapier Cut/Skull, or Rapier Cut/Face, or Rapier Cut/Leg, or Rapier Cut/Arm, or or Rapier Thrust/Face, or Rapier Thrust/Vitals) Optional Skills: Cloak, Main-Gauche, Riding, Lance Sport, Strategy, Expert Skill (Military Affairs) Perks: Weapon Adaption (Thrusting Broadsword with Rapier skill) Giovanni Dall'Agocchie was the last master to write in the Italian Bolognese tradition. He published a book on fencing, jousting, and deploying an army in Venice in 1572. Dall'Agocchie's fencing requires a limber wrist and cautious tactics. Students wait for their opponent to attack or make a mistake, or open combat with a false attack, beat, or attack with opposition. Most defenses are two-time (parry then attack in two seperate motions), but many single-time (parry and attack in one motion) actions are described. Dall'Agocchie prefers thrusts to cuts, but uses both and expects students to be prepared for either. Feints and attacks after a successful parry are most likely to be cuts. Stylists prefer to keep the right side forward, and some guards deny the left side (GURPS Martial Arts: Gladiators p. 21). A set of named guards, steps, and blows are used to plan or describe actions. An important concept is time (tempo in Italian). Every action takes a different amount of time, and unsettles a fencer from his ready position. A skillful fencer can act in less time than his opponents, and use the time of his opponent's actions to strike him. Rules from Martial Arts to know: Cross Parry, Deceptive Attack, Defensive Attack, Beat, Riposte, Sidestep Most defenses are Parries (sometimes with a Sidestep and occasionally with a Retreat). A Dodge and Retreat is sometimes used against cuts. With a few exceptions, the cloak and dagger are only used to defend, and the off hand is not used to parry or grapple. With sword and dagger, the two weapons can be used to parry together (a Cross Parry). The cloak can be thrown in an opponent's face while making sure to hold on to one corner (treat as a Feint per the Cloak skill description). What to do against an armoured opponent is not described. Fashionable swords in Dall'Agocchie's day are classed as Edged Rapiers, Short Edged Rapiers, or Thrusting Broadswords in GURPS. The blunt-edged Basic Set rapier was not popular in Italy. As a 16th century fencing master, Dall'Agocchie was probably skilled with Spear, Polearm, Buckler, Shield, and Two-Handed Sword as well as unarmed combat. I don't know enough about 16th century Italian fencing to give detailed stats for this training.
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04-12-2010, 05:23 AM | #9 | |
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If it helps you out at all you get Silver's origian work here, there's also this book containing Silver's works and some articles about them. Keep in mind that Silver also included a means defeating rapiers in his work that many modern scholars pay less attention to. Also here's a video of Silver's system in 4.5 minutes (not including the anti-rapier stuff), if that helps.
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04-12-2010, 09:04 AM | #10 | |
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There could actually be diffrent styles of polearm fighting, have read somewere that Landsknechte used to fight like the swiss mercenary wielding the pike from above but later changed to wield it from below. |
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