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Old 01-15-2022, 04:59 AM   #21
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And if they haven't, there's a reason...
Maybe the ammo is very old and is dangerous to use, like some old german army rocket supplies decades old and sweating nitroglycerine, still in the depots due to problems to scrap them, or the ammo is just usable in specialized systems not stored there.
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Old 01-15-2022, 08:39 AM   #22
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Well ... you could as readily ask "what if crystal meth is regular issue?" No doubt things would be different, but since it isn't, it's a moot question.

+1! on the obsolete hardware issue. I had occasion to visit a local Guard armory a few years ago, and even knowing institutional grasping of obsolete tech, I was pretty shocked to see a 1981-era operating system in use.

On the bright side, at least Russian hackers aren't getting into THAT system. (On the less than bright side, I'm not sure how the ARMY is getting into that system.)
No it is a pertinent question. Alcohol was regular issue in most armies until quite recently.
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Old 01-15-2022, 10:18 AM   #23
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What if alcohol is regular issue?
No Alcohol, no cigarettes not since the late 80s.

The OP was asking about USA National Guard (same as all US military for the past 25 years) no drinkable alcohol is issued or stocked as a deployment supply, period.
It is purely a purchase on your own time,with your own money, if its allowed in the situation and available.

Same goes for cigarettes. You can buy them if you have currency and can find them, but the Army doesn't supply them to you other than perhaps making them available for purchase if logistics allows.

There might be an exception for something like an Aircraft Carrier which stocks "civilian goods" for purchase in shipboard shops, my experience isn't Navy so I'm not 100% sure about how this might work. No matter though its limited and you aren't going to find those stores untapped unless something super fast and virulent has killed off everyone (say 98% or better) before they can react to it.

NG and Reserve posts/depots aren't big enough or remote enough to have that kind of facility on base. If it's an Active Army post and remote enough or perhaps during some kind of extended lockdown there might be a PX truck that shows up to let people purchase basic stuff; hygiene, snacks, personal electronics, very basic clothing (t-shirts, underwear, sweats, socks), cigarettes (if allowed).

More likely people get their stuff delivered via Amazon or make organized trips to a nearby town for 'supplies'. NG probably live close enough to go home and get stuff or have spouses bring it.
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Old 01-15-2022, 10:37 AM   #24
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Maybe the ammo is very old and is dangerous to use, like some old german army rocket supplies decades old and sweating nitroglycerine, still in the depots due to problems to scrap them, or the ammo is just usable in specialized systems not stored there.
This might apply to exotic stuff like black powder (which is exotic nowadays), 120mm 'paper cases' or shotgun shells, or missiles/rockets/powder bags.

Brass case small arms is going to be fine (as long as it chambers). You might get issues with corrosion making them to allow the bolt to close, they might not be as accurate (not that military ball ammo is terribly accurate to begin with).

I regularly shoot 22LR Soviet made in 1973 its still got the USSR and CCCP stamps on the boxes. The lead is definitely a little old, it has that sheen of soft lead "sweat" on the projectiles, but it still shoots fine from a revolver or a bolt action.

Mil spec stuff sealed in ammo cans or heavy duty plastic bags will be good for way more than 50 years. I have fired WWII ammo that wasn't stored with any particular care in the past year and it was fine.
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Old 01-15-2022, 11:03 AM   #25
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No Alcohol, no cigarettes not since the late 80s.

The OP was asking about USA National Guard (same as all US military for the past 25 years) no drinkable alcohol is issued or stocked as a deployment supply, period.
It is purely a purchase on your own time,with your own money, if its allowed in the situation and available.

Same goes for cigarettes. You can buy them if you have currency and can find them, but the Army doesn't supply them to you other than perhaps making them available for purchase if logistics allows.

There might be an exception for something like an Aircraft Carrier which stocks "civilian goods" for purchase in shipboard shops, my experience isn't Navy so I'm not 100% sure about how this might work. No matter though its limited and you aren't going to find those stores untapped unless something super fast and virulent has killed off everyone (say 98% or better) before they can react to it.

NG and Reserve posts/depots aren't big enough or remote enough to have that kind of facility on base. If it's an Active Army post and remote enough or perhaps during some kind of extended lockdown there might be a PX truck that shows up to let people purchase basic stuff; hygiene, snacks, personal electronics, very basic clothing (t-shirts, underwear, sweats, socks), cigarettes (if allowed).

More likely people get their stuff delivered via Amazon or make organized trips to a nearby town for 'supplies'. NG probably live close enough to go home and get stuff or have spouses bring it.
The question did not specify the time period, did it?
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Old 01-15-2022, 01:00 PM   #26
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Maybe the ammo is very old and is dangerous to use, like some old german army rocket supplies decades old and sweating nitroglycerine, still in the depots due to problems to scrap them, or the ammo is just usable in specialized systems not stored there.
Well, a depot that has already been looted may have leftover stuff that no-one wants, but that's a different issue. If there's generally useful stuff still there, there's some factor preventing looting, that will interfere with PC looting as well.
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Old 01-15-2022, 01:23 PM   #27
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Let's drop the contraband - I can make that up on my own. I'm looking for what might be OFFICALLY there. Thanks.
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Old 01-15-2022, 01:47 PM   #28
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Let's drop the contraband - I can make that up on my own. I'm looking for what might be OFFICALLY there. Thanks.
The time in which you run this campaign may be helpful. A lot of things have changed during the last decades.

Also the setting modern action, horror, post apocalyptic etc and if there were events which may have results in changes to that depot before are of interest. During a crisis some depots will have gotten more staff and stuff, and other would be nearly depleted if for example in a big ammo depot the goodies were transported to a frontline while the industrs is hastily making more to restock.

The size and purpose of the depot is very important, as in the posts above a depot made for reparing tanks has other stuff than one which supplies a forward base or a airport.

Also I guess you speak about a US depot? Even under NATO members a lot of things people are allowed to have or consume varies a lot.
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Assume modern day and TL8 with no additional craziness or miracles.
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Old 01-15-2022, 03:02 PM   #30
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For one of my games the PCs have found a National Guard supply depot in the States. What might it contain. I currently have:
  • Ammo (but how much?)
  • Weapons (ditto)
  • Food (both MREs and bulk shelf stable food to be cooked)
  • A couple of humvees

I've also decided they have a barracks, small machine shop, and of course supply buildings.

What am I missing? References to GURPS books with equipment a huge plus. A little help would be most appreciated.
A few more things not yet listed (or I missed it.)
Based on various NATO/EU supplies center, but a big enough US National guard supply depot probably have some similar stuff.

-IT and communication equipment. Portable cell phone tower, satellite uplink, maybe even a backup datacenter.
-Field hospital in containers (Shelters and tents, beds, X-ray and ultrasound, triage, first aid, operating room) + supplies.
-Forklifts and warehousing supplies.
-Drones (probably observation only).
-Disasters heavy gear (bulldozers, inflatable boats, pumps, ...)

Another resource : here is the list of supply-and-logistics careers option in the US Army national Guard. If there is a job specialist, there should be gear for it :) (hopefully)

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Enlisted MOS Options
92A Automated Logistical Specialist
92F Petroleum Supply Specialist
92G Food Service Specialist
92L Petroleum Laboratory Specialist
92M Mortuary Affairs Specialist
92R Parachute Rigger
92S Shower/Laundry and Clothing Repair Specialist
92W Water Treatment Specialist
92Y Unit Supply Specialist

Officer MOS Options
92 Quartermaster Officer

Warrant Officer MOS Options
920A Property Accounting Technician
920B Supply Systems Technician
921A Airdrop Systems Technician
922A Food Service Technician
923A Petroleum Systems Technician
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