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Old 02-21-2010, 08:31 PM   #11
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Every "shooter" is taught to use his sights. Muscle memory comes into play with bringing your weapon up into your sight sight line and aligned with your target.

With tons repitition, and thousands of rounds this task of draw, aim and shoot can be accomplished in less than a second.

Now as with the majority of military and "tactical" units the pistol is a secondary weapon only to be used in two instances. 1: Primary is out of ammo or 2: primary has had a stoppage.
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Old 02-21-2010, 08:34 PM   #12
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Given the effectiveness of modern body armour I keep expecting a return to larger caliber battle rifles. Pistols may get to be a bit of an after thought.
If your shooting someone and they don't go down with a center mass shot, you just adjust your aim and shoot him in the pelvis.

Another thing, is in CQB, you keep shooting your target until he goes down and you do this while advancing (closing the distance). You might have great body armor but it sure F'n hurts when you get shot.
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Old 02-21-2010, 10:51 PM   #13
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I expect better coverage to be the next stage in armour. I recall an interview on the radio a while back with a Canadian General regarding Afghanistan. He was discussing the way that they'd improved the body armour by adding coverage to the upper arm as they were getting lots of arm hits that went right through to the chest.

As coverage improves I expect we'll see some good rigid plates of some sort for tender bits in the pelvic area.
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Old 02-22-2010, 07:36 AM   #14
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Every "shooter" is taught to use his sights.
Opinions on this differ considerably; the difference between Point-Shooting (without the use of sights) and the Modern Technique (with the use of sights) is addressed in detail in Tactical Shooting. The former was actually quite common in some eras and some circles, including many professional shootists. They are the basis for several Martial Arts-type styles in the book.

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With tons repitition, and thousands of rounds this task of draw, aim and shoot can be accomplished in less than a second.
Detailed in Tactical Shooting.

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Now as with the majority of military and "tactical" units the pistol is a secondary weapon only to be used in two instances. 1: Primary is out of ammo or 2: primary has had a stoppage.
Transitioning is discussed in detail in, you guessed it, Tactical Shooting. :D

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Old 02-22-2010, 07:38 AM   #15
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If your shooting someone and they don't go down with a center mass shot, you just adjust your aim and shoot him in the pelvis.
Covered in Tactical Shooting.

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Another thing, is in CQB, you keep shooting your target until he goes down and you do this while advancing (closing the distance). You might have great body armor but it sure F'n hurts when you get shot.
And again . . . Just whetting your appetites, guys. :P

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Old 02-22-2010, 08:26 AM   #16
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If your shooting someone and they don't go down with a center mass shot, you just adjust your aim and shoot him in the pelvis.
Until Tactical Shooting comes out, you might want to check out this thread by Icelander. Below is the tl;dr version.

Hit location: Groin (-3)
Wounding modifiers: as Torso
Crippling: Disabled at 1xHP, destroyed at 2xHP; gives Lame (Paraplegic) while crippled
Bleeding: Internal (Surgery and natural recovery only), -3 to Bleeding and Surgery rolls, check for bleeding once per 30 seconds
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Old 02-22-2010, 10:13 AM   #17
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Covered in Tactical Shooting.



And again . . . Just whetting your appetites, guys. :P

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date, Date, DATE! PLEASE! :)
Or at least a hint about when we might see a playtest (with plenty of understanding if there is a good reason you can't say at this time)?
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Old 02-22-2010, 04:55 PM   #19
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Another thing, is in CQB, you keep shooting your target until he goes down and you do this while advancing (closing the distance). You might have great body armor but it sure F'n hurts when you get shot.
WHAT? That is not what the US Marines teach.

The military doctrine d'jour is shooting for extremities if the enemy is wearing armor. Andrew Brannan (Vietnam Vet) did exactly that to a police officer, shoot the unarmored part and apply the coup de grāce.The rebels in Afghanistan and Iraq do the very same thing, they shoot for the legs of coalition soldiers.

Returning vets have some bizarre stories...
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Old 02-22-2010, 08:08 PM   #20
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WHAT? That is not what the US Marines teach.

The military doctrine d'jour is shooting for extremities if the enemy is wearing armor. Andrew Brannan (Vietnam Vet) did exactly that to a police officer, shoot the unarmored part and apply the coup de grāce.The rebels in Afghanistan and Iraq do the very same thing, they shoot for the legs of coalition soldiers.

Returning vets have some bizarre stories...
You are correct. If you notice the enemy has body armor and you are at "range" with the time to aim for extremities then you do. However in the confines of CQB where engagements happen in seconds and you aim for your biggest part of the target and shoot until they drop.
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