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Old 01-18-2022, 01:00 PM   #11
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If you have money to burn, sure. Just keep in mind that you're paying for two surgeries, minimum.
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Old 01-18-2022, 01:19 PM   #12
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If you have money to burn, sure. Just keep in mind that you're paying for two surgeries, minimum.
Oh, indeed. This is an option that would only be available to those with large budgets (or those backed by large budgets - a soldier may not make enough to support this, but his superiors might deem keeping him in the fight worth it), but it may well be an option - and one particularly tempting to PC's, as their players may be disinclined to have their character stay out of the action for 10 weeks in-game.
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Old 01-18-2022, 01:49 PM   #13
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Oh, indeed. This is an option that would only be available to those with large budgets (or those backed by large budgets - a soldier may not make enough to support this, but his superiors might deem keeping him in the fight worth it), .
If i weere an "Interstellar Security Contractor" ("Star Merc" is such an ugly term) I might sign a deal that would fit me with bionics while under contract but guarantee full bio reconstruction when the contract expired.

If you got the full bio in the middle of a hot contract you might end up having to do it again. Of course, if the politicians weasel out on your deal you might end up on a seedy space station somewhere with black plastic limbs looking for work.
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Old 01-18-2022, 02:15 PM   #14
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Isn't a big issue with cybernetics the danger of rejection that is much harder to deal with vs bio-augmentation?
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Old 01-18-2022, 02:55 PM   #15
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Isn't a big issue with cybernetics the danger of rejection that is much harder to deal with vs bio-augmentation?
That's pretty much the reverse of the truth; biologicals are way more likely to be rejected than inorganic materials (at least, the ones you'd actually use in an implant).
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Old 01-18-2022, 05:20 PM   #16
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That's pretty much the reverse of the truth; biologicals are way more likely to be rejected than inorganic materials (at least, the ones you'd actually use in an implant).
You are right nowadays biological implants are quite likely to be rejected and everyone who got a heart, lung or kindney and such transplanted, has to useheavy immuno supressants which are prone to side effects, for the rest of his life.

But we speak of the future at TL 9 we will have partly human/animal organs like that heart what was transplanted last week. They should be at this time grown from transgenic animals and this animal will have some genes from the receiver transfered into the embryo cells, so the risk of rejection will be much less.

Once we have tanks which can grow cells to any tissue we want the problem is completely solved, because than you can use your own genetic material with some helpfull additions and have it implanted. The only problem will be at this stage that, if you need a new heart NOW, you will have transplanted a generic of the shelf replacement until your new heart is ready.

From what I read from that pigheart and considering the speed of medical prowess and genetics, I would say in the next 25 years the organ donating animal is the rule in the richer nations and in 50 itīs for all civilized nations standard. Just look a that cloned meat, the first steak a few years ago cost 100k, now they are calculating a steak grown in tanks for less than 10$, and the price will likely drop again a lot.

I think any society with TL 10 medical knowledge will have grown organs for the client with any addition we have in the books for TL 10, and without any rejection whatsoever.
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Old 01-18-2022, 06:26 PM   #17
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Once we have tanks which can grow cells to any tissue we want the problem is completely solved, because than you can use your own genetic material with some helpfull additions and have it implanted. The only problem will be at this stage that, if you need a new heart NOW, you will have transplanted a generic of the shelf replacement until your new heart is ready.
This comes up "Mirror Dance" by Bujold. Aral Vokosigan has a heart problem and they are hoping they can keep him going for a few weeks anyway so that he will only need one surgery instead of two.
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Old 01-18-2022, 06:36 PM   #18
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But we speak of the future at TL 9 we will have partly human/animal organs like that heart what was transplanted last week.
Even with more advanced biotech, rejection is going to be more of a problem for biotech than hard tech. Anything biological is going to be vulnerable to rejection (you can reject your own tissue), appropriately chosen hypoallergenic inorganic materials really aren't (they can have other problems, of course).
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Old 01-18-2022, 10:36 PM   #19
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Even with more advanced biotech, rejection is going to be more of a problem for biotech than hard tech. Anything biological is going to be vulnerable to rejection (you can reject your own tissue), appropriately chosen hypoallergenic inorganic materials really aren't (they can have other problems, of course).
Or we might just learn how to grow genetically modified pig's hearts and the like for transplant.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-00111-9

It's a first, but it's a new scope to look at for bio-ware / UT tech etc.
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Old 01-18-2022, 11:10 PM   #20
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Or we might just learn how to grow genetically modified pig's hearts and the like for transplant.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-00111-9

It's a first, but it's a new scope to look at for bio-ware / UT tech etc.
(waves hand dismissively)Those were in the Warehouse 23 book. They're actually behind schedule.
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