Attribute Substition (Tactics based on Perception)

younglorax · 03-22-2010, 04:30 PM

Does that seem realistic? I know effectively nothing about tactics, so I'd like input from those of you who know more.

(This is using the Attribute Substitution perk from PU-2, p15)

SuedodeuS · 03-22-2010, 04:39 PM

Realistic? No. Although certainly noticing things is important, Tactics really is a knowledge skill - you're using your brainmeats to figure out a course of action, take advantage of terrain, etc.

Appropriate? Yes! A character who has a real eye for detail and strong senses but is otherwise not very bright (Per higher than IQ) could certainly use their advantage to make excellent tactical decisions - in a cinematic campaign. Note that decisions is an extremely important aspect here. Cardinal from Finder's Keepers would most likely have a Perk like this, as his supernatural perception allows him to make the most of any situation (although in this case, he also has a rather high IQ).

Dienekes · 03-22-2010, 04:50 PM

If I understand correctly what you mean, it seems a little odd to divorce Tactics from the reasoning element of IQ. Sharp senses don't make the tactical genius; the tactical genius is the one who makes the most of the sensory data available to him.

If I were GMing, I'd give the player a chance to get a bonus if there were something relevant he could sense that his foe couldn't, but that wouldn't be Tactics, I don't think.

younglorax · 03-22-2010, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Dienekes

If I understand correctly what you mean, it seems a little odd to divorce Tactics from the reasoning element of IQ. Sharp senses don't make the tactical genius; the tactical genius is the one who makes the most of the sensory data available to him.

If I were GMing, I'd give the player a chance to get a bonus if there were something relevant he could sense that his foe couldn't, but that wouldn't be Tactics, I don't think.

It's a perk that allows a skill usually based on one attribute to be based on an attribute also important to the use of that skill.

I'm thinking it's not appropriate for Tactics based on Per (except, as SuedodeuS suggests, in a highly cinematic campaign).

~~Ragitsu~~ · 03-22-2010, 04:53 PM

Absolutely. You can do anything if you put your mind to it.

Refplace · 03-22-2010, 06:29 PM

I can sorta see it sometimes but wouldnt allow it in my games. However I do give bonuses and penalties to the Tactics and Staregy roles based on knowledge and perception can certainly help there.

PK · 03-22-2010, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by younglorax

Does that seem realistic? I know effectively nothing about tactics, so I'd like input from those of you who know more.

(This is using the Attribute Substitution perk from PU-2, p15)

Not incredibly realistic, but "realistic enough" for most games, sure. As far as Attribute Substitutions go, I've certainly seen stranger. :)

~~Ragitsu~~ · 03-22-2010, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Rev. Pee Kitty

As far as Attribute Substitutions go, I've certainly seen stranger. :)

ST-based Physics?

lexington · 03-22-2010, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Ragitsu

ST-based Physics?

That could work for research up to the level of Newton.

Phoenix_Dragon · 03-22-2010, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Ragitsu

ST-based Physics?

The Human Supercollider?

03-22-2010, 04:30 PM	#1
younglorax Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Richmond, California, USA	Attribute Substition (Tactics based on Perception) Does that seem realistic? I know effectively nothing about tactics, so I'd like input from those of you who know more. (This is using the Attribute Substitution perk from PU-2, p15) Last edited by younglorax; 03-22-2010 at 04:56 PM.

03-22-2010, 04:39 PM	#2
SuedodeuS Join Date: Sep 2008	Re: Attribute Substition (Tactics based on Perception) Realistic? No. Although certainly noticing things is important, Tactics really is a knowledge skill - you're using your brainmeats to figure out a course of action, take advantage of terrain, etc. Appropriate? Yes! A character who has a real eye for detail and strong senses but is otherwise not very bright (Per higher than IQ) could certainly use their advantage to make excellent tactical decisions - in a cinematic campaign. Note that decisions is an extremely important aspect here. Cardinal from Finder's Keepers would most likely have a Perk like this, as his supernatural perception allows him to make the most of any situation (although in this case, he also has a rather high IQ). __________________ Quos deus vult perdere, prius dementat. Latin: Those whom a god wishes to destroy, he first drives mad.

03-22-2010, 04:50 PM	#3
Dienekes Join Date: Oct 2006	Re: Attribute Substition (Tactics based on Perception) If I understand correctly what you mean, it seems a little odd to divorce Tactics from the reasoning element of IQ. Sharp senses don't make the tactical genius; the tactical genius is the one who makes the most of the sensory data available to him. If I were GMing, I'd give the player a chance to get a bonus if there were something relevant he could sense that his foe couldn't, but that wouldn't be Tactics, I don't think. __________________ "I tried to straighten up and fly right, but it won't easy with that sumbitch Reagan in the White House." -- Serial Convenience Store Robber H.I. McDunnough in Raising Arizona

03-22-2010, 04:53 PM	#5
~~Ragitsu~~ Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Portland, Oregon	Re: Attribute Substition (Tactics based on Perception) Absolutely. You can do anything if you put your mind to it.

03-22-2010, 06:29 PM	#6
Refplace Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Yukon, OK	Re: Attribute Substition (Tactics based on Perception) I can sorta see it sometimes but wouldnt allow it in my games. However I do give bonuses and penalties to the Tactics and Staregy roles based on knowledge and perception can certainly help there.