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Old 03-09-2024, 04:05 PM   #1
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Hello,

I was told that extra attack was busted/OP, but I'm not sure how. I always usually rapid strike anyways for 2 attacks, so is one other one going to make a difference. I know you can split one of your attacks into a rapid strike, but I'm not sure of cool/worthwhile actions aside from that. The few I was given were: "Two stabs, arm lock into stab, arm lock into rapid stab since they near defenseless." My skills are Rapier, Raper arm lock, judo, judo sweep, counterattack rapier, and judo throw. I think that's all the relevant ones anyways. And any info on grappling with these would be helpful as well. Any help on how to optimize my extra attack or combos/cool tricks would be much appreciated. Thanks!
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Old 03-09-2024, 04:36 PM   #2
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Hello,

I was told that extra attack was busted/OP, but I'm not sure how. !
What Extra Attack does is simplify your life.

Are you buying off Rapid Strike penalties as a Technique?
Are you buying up your Rapid Strike Skill to soak Rapid Strike penalties?
Are you doing Rapid Strikes with more than one Skill?

If you get Extra Attack you can stop worrying about any of these things. Buy Extra Attack and you can attack twice every round as long as you have two limbs free. If those limbs are wielding weapons all the better but it works for Unarmed combat skills too! It also works for Ranged Weapon skills if you can use those weapons in one hand.

Mix and match all of the above too. Stab with your rapier in one hand and kick with one foot on the same round with no penalties (except the -2 for Kicking). If you have blackpowder pistols to go with those rapiers fire two of them in one Turn. Throw two knives if you don't have pistols.

You use Rapid Strike as a Technique or a specific "trick" when you're going to _specialize_ in that one trick. Extra Attack is for people who aren't going to specialize or limit themselves to just one trick..
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Old 03-09-2024, 04:37 PM   #3
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Thank you! I also forgot I had weapon master if that changes anything
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Old 03-11-2024, 07:29 AM   #4
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Thank you! I also forgot I had weapon master if that changes anything
If you are a Weapon Master I would take a hard look at Dual Weapon Technique.

Basically it gives 2 attacks (in one attack 'slot') for a pre-defined (and learned) weapon/attack set.

For me it was Dual Weapon Attack Rapier/Rapier.

As I worked the technique up I was enjoying running about with 2 attacks and full fencing defenses.

Sometimes I would Rapid Strike in addition. However since I also had the Targeted Attack technique (Rapier/Eye) I would often attack each eye at -4 or -5 (away from books and can remember max buydown OTOH).

I my opinion Dual Weapon Attack was the best 7 or 8 points I ever spent.
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Old 03-09-2024, 04:39 PM   #5
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Extra Attack costs [25], which will buy 6 extra levels of skill.

The most obvious reason it might be worthwhile is if the GM wants to avoid extremely high skill levels, but is willing to have you take Extra Attack. Another is a desire to get an Extra Attack with any weapon, not just your preferred weapon.

I'd generally prefer to have the extra skill levels, because they're more flexible:
  • They allow an additional attack, or two with a fencing weapon, or lots if you also have Weapon Master.
  • You can use them to offset penalties, such as hit locations, darkness, and many other things.

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Old 03-09-2024, 04:43 PM   #6
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My weapon skill for my rapier is at like 22 right now, so not sure if I should up it more. My Judo is only 13 though, but I always forget to use anything even remotely related to it. Do you know of combos or attacks that could utilize both so I haven't just wasted skill points?
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Old 03-11-2024, 01:21 AM   #7
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My weapon skill for my rapier is at like 22 right now, so not sure if I should up it more. My Judo is only 13 though, but I always forget to use anything even remotely related to it. Do you know of combos or attacks that could utilize both so I haven't just wasted skill points?
Judo Throw if successful puts opponent prone, at -4 to do everything including defend against your sword.

Without EA, you throw him, and he gets up before you stab. Alternately try Rapid Strike, but that's -6 to Judo because Weapon Master doesn't halve the penalty. Alternately All-Out Attack, but that forfeits your defense. Alternately throw from a Judo parry, but that's way lower than your fencing parry. Alternately armed grapple at -2, establish a lock, throw from lock, and then stab, but that takes 4 attacks which you'll do over 2 turns allowing foe a chance to break the grapple or just kill you before you finish.

With EA, try the throw. If it fails, attack standing foe like normal, which may work well but I assume you're worried about guys just as good as you. If throw succeeds, foe is already under penalty so instead of rapid strike call shot to knee (to keep him down) or artery to finish him.
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Old 03-11-2024, 02:36 AM   #8
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You can also layer in ways to buy the cost down. The last time I played a character with Extra Attack, he was a martial artist who'd throw a combination sequence: feint with the right hand, strike with the left hand, kick with the right foot. Using Extra Attack only as part of that sequence was pretty cheap, and since it was my go-to maneuver, it worked pretty well.
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Old 03-09-2024, 05:29 PM   #9
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The most obvious reason it might be worthwhile is if the GM wants to avoid extremely high skill levels, but is willing to have you take Extra Attack.
Yeah, almost nothing is as point effective for combat as extra skill levels.
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Old 03-09-2024, 05:57 PM   #10
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Extra Attack is worthwhile if you often want to combine two attacks *from different skills* in one turn.

If you want to do two sword things, or two grapple things, in one turn, using the same skill, EA is less optimal than +6 to skill (and a Perk!) which not only lets you do that with Rapid Strike, but lets you do it BETTER if you also have Weapon Master/TBaM or something else that halves RS penalties. The extra +6 to skill buys you +3 to Parry too.

But if you want to (say) grapple and stab, or shield bind or bash and weapon attack ... EA comes into its own then.
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